Substitutions

[AdamB]

Because we don't generally need a game changing substitution?

I know the wording under the chart said 'game changing' but the chart shows goals and assists by subs - those goals or assists could equally come at 3-0 up as much as 0-0 so whether or not we need a game changing sub is irrelevant

The points are (i) our subs very rarely score or assist and (ii) we make our subs much later than pretty much everyone

 

[Lemonade Money]

The points are (i) our subs very rarely score or assist and (ii) we make our subs much later than pretty much everyone

Those points could be connected.

 

[billyiddo]

It certainly is a strange one. Perhaps Poch would rather sit back and watch how his team adapts, see who stands up, see who can change things and correct the problem... so he might lose the battle but he wins a lot of information to ultimately win the war.

I.e. he could throw on 2 men and change things and thus make spacegoats of those he takes off / make excuses for those that are now in a new situation... but he would rather sit back and assess what happens and give them the chance to alter what he has already drilled into them... he probably goes up to some poor sap after the game and says "You remember drill 17, paragraph 9? I told you to embrace the passion and assess your verticality" and then disappears enigmatically into the steam of the showers.

Interesting take on it, and probably quite close to mark imo

 

[braineclipse]

It certainly is a strange one. Perhaps Poch would rather sit back and watch how his team adapts, see who stands up, see who can change things and correct the problem... so he might lose the battle but he wins a lot of information to ultimately win the war.

I.e. he could throw on 2 men and change things and thus make spacegoats of those he takes off / make excuses for those that are now in a new situation... but he would rather sit back and assess what happens and give them the chance to alter what he has already drilled into them... he probably goes up to some poor sap after the game and says "You remember drill 17, paragraph 9? I told you to embrace the passion and assess your verticality" and then disappears enigmatically into the steam of the showers.

I think there might be some truth to that. I also think a lot of our regular starters are good at adapting and responding in games, meaning that there's less of a need to change things via a substation.

We've also had injury issues so some players that might have been used to change games haven't been available.

Finally the quality of our front 3 in Kane, Alli and Eriksen is fantastic. It really would take a spectacularly poor performance or a fantastic sub available to warrant a change early, at least most of the time.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

At the end of the day if we have a relatively good record at coming from behind to win then it doesn’t matter whether it was through a sub or not.

I think Poch is a big proponent of subtle tweaks to formations or movements in order to alter the flow rather than a new player into the mix...probably because he is big on the structure of the team being set both in and out of possession and a lot of subs can mess with that. Better to expect the flexible players he has to succeed in subtly different positions and see who has the intelligence to adapt.

Not to mention we are super fit, so he probably expects our best players to really start to shine later on in games and rather than replace them with an inferior / unproven player he wants to trust the guys he know can deliver.

 

[SteveAWOL]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1399037974764003334

 

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[Bullet]

Thanks Steve, interesting.
I like that idea of warming subs up properly.
And I like the idea of changing the terminology from "substitute if someone gets injured or is crap or knackered" to something more like:
--- "finisher" for the attacking roles and ensuring they get 25 minutes to finish off the opponent, this is a specialist role to be coveted i.e. you don't need to do all the running about and tiring them out, we want you to come on against a tired defence and when the game has opened up a bit and do your specialist finishing skill
--- "shutouts" for the defending roles i.e. when we are in the lead with 30 minutes to go you will be brought on to close out the game, waste time, shut down the opposition, niggle, waste, fall over, block and defend. Again, a specialist skill, not just "Dave, you aren't as good as Sergio, so you can't play today, go and sit over there for 88 minutes"

 

[FolkestoneSpur]

Thanks Steve, interesting.
I like that idea of warming subs up properly.
And I like the idea of changing the terminology from "substitute if someone gets injured or is crap or knackered" to something more like:
--- "finisher" for the attacking roles and ensuring they get 25 minutes to finish off the opponent, this is a specialist role to be coveted i.e. you don't need to do all the running about and tiring them out, we want you to come on against a tired defence and when the game has opened up a bit and do your specialist finishing skill
--- "shutouts" for the defending roles i.e. when we are in the lead with 30 minutes to go you will be brought on to close out the game, waste time, shut down the opposition, niggle, waste, fall over, block and defend. Again, a specialist skill, not just "Dave, you aren't as good as Sergio, so you can't play today, go and sit over there for 88 minutes"

It's amazing how these little tweeks are still being dreamt up. This is one of those that look so obvious once implemented.

 

[parklane1]

Thanks Steve, interesting.
I like that idea of warming subs up properly.
And I like the idea of changing the terminology from "substitute if someone gets injured or is crap or knackered" to something more like:
--- "finisher" for the attacking roles and ensuring they get 25 minutes to finish off the opponent, this is a specialist role to be coveted i.e. you don't need to do all the running about and tiring them out, we want you to come on against a tired defence and when the game has opened up a bit and do your specialist finishing skill
--- "shutouts" for the defending roles i.e. when we are in the lead with 30 minutes to go you will be brought on to close out the game, waste time, shut down the opposition, niggle, waste, fall over, block and defend. Again, a specialist skill, not just "Dave, you aren't as good as Sergio, so you can't play today, go and sit over there for 88 minutes"

You watch too much of that gridiron brick.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Thanks Steve, interesting.
I like that idea of warming subs up properly.
And I like the idea of changing the terminology from "substitute if someone gets injured or is crap or knackered" to something more like:
--- "finisher" for the attacking roles and ensuring they get 25 minutes to finish off the opponent, this is a specialist role to be coveted i.e. you don't need to do all the running about and tiring them out, we want you to come on against a tired defence and when the game has opened up a bit and do your specialist finishing skill
--- "shutouts" for the defending roles i.e. when we are in the lead with 30 minutes to go you will be brought on to close out the game, waste time, shut down the opposition, niggle, waste, fall over, block and defend. Again, a specialist skill, not just "Dave, you aren't as good as Sergio, so you can't play today, go and sit over there for 88 minutes"

That’s literally how it works in rugby and NFL