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Spurs in UCL if league is scrapped?

Mr_B said:
There's a lot of chatter there won't be a 2020/21 season, especially when the virus comes back in the autumn, remember it just took 1 person to be infected for everything to shut down, with that sort of precedent, does anyone realistically think you'll be watching footie in the near future.
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I am pretty certain we wont be locking down again after this.

It will be treated as any other illness with the caveat of shielding the at risk
 
AjaxDeSuperYids said:
Scottish PL curtailed using points per game but not from what I can see weighted for home/away.

Very important we get our PL going again as if the same is used here we will end below the woolwich gooner bastards.
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Do West Ham still get relegated though? I could handle the St Totteringham texts in the short term if so...
 
MKSpur said:
Do West Ham still get relegated though? I could handle the St Totteringham texts in the short term if so...
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The is to much money involved in the prem for clubs to be relegated without playing games. The legal challenges would go on for years.

Brighton had the mother of all run ins and i was expecting them to drop into the relegation zone. West ham would appeal.
 
MKSpur said:
Do West Ham still get relegated though? I could handle the St Totteringham texts in the short term if so...
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Non weighted results in goons above us and wham surviving.

Weighted results in us above goons and wham relegated.

Sounds like it will restart again anyway but what happens if even one person in someones squad tests positive, when all the frequent testing of the players begins?

Didnt some bungesliga players test positive a week ago yet the games went ahead!?
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
The is to much money involved in the prem for clubs to be relegated without playing games. The legal challenges would go on for years.

Brighton had the mother of all run ins and i was expecting them to drop into the relegation zone. West ham would appeal.
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I can see the prem agreeing to a no relegation approach and adding dirty Leeds and West Brom to the league, clubs might be pleased with an extra couple of home games revenue next season.
Hearts just got relegated in Scotland though? Why would they not have the same appeal mentality?
 
AjaxDeSuperYids said:
Non weighted results in goons above us and wham surviving.

Weighted results in us above goons and wham relegated.

Sounds like it will restart again anyway but what happens if even one person in someones squad tests positive, when all the frequent testing of the players begins?

Didnt some bungesliga players test positive a week ago yet the games went ahead!?
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I think they’ll bluff their way through it on a case by case basis. If a player tests individually but the rest of the matchday team are clean on the day then it wouldn’t be an issue. If a team has so many infections they can’t field a team there is a precedent though - the team was forced to play and the sick players took the pitch with no concern for their well being or the risk of transference (yes I’m still bitter!)
 
MKSpur said:
I can see the prem agreeing to a no relegation approach and adding dirty Leeds and West Brom to the league, clubs might be pleased with an extra couple of home games revenue next season.
Hearts just got relegated in Scotland though? Why would they not have the same appeal meteorology?
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There is no money in Scottish football and no prospect of financially motivated court cases.

They will give hearts a couple of battered mars bars and everything will be fine.
 
MKSpur said:
I think they’ll bluff their way through it on a case by case basis. If a player tests individually but the rest of the matchday team are clean on the day then it wouldn’t be an issue. If a team has so many infections they can’t field a team there is a precedent though - the team was forced to play and the sick players took the pitch with no concern for their well being or the risk of transference (yes I’m still bitter!)
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Test results take a few days to come back so same-day testing results are unlikely, although it maybe faster for private tests. Even if that were possible, if one player tests positive then all the other players, coaches etc. with whom that player has come into contact, would also have to self-isolate for 14 days. So one player testing positive would effectively wipe out the whole team from competing for a fortnight. You'd think that would be enough to void the league, assuming there is not enough time to re-arrange the games. But who knows. Coronavirusgate looms.
 
MKSpur said:
I can see the prem agreeing to a no relegation approach and adding dirty Leeds and West Brom to the league, clubs might be pleased with an extra couple of home games revenue next season.
Hearts just got relegated in Scotland though? Why would they not have the same appeal meteorology?
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Awarding celtic the title was the correct thing to do, they were to far away to be caught, same with other league winners, but the relegation issue is a bit murky imv.
Scottish football has long memories and bear grudges like the mafia so this could fester for quite a while.

It's a pity they stopped the league though, next fixture due was the OF game, first game in months, lock down madness, effectively for the title, nine in a row etc, would have been explosive to say the least.
 
MKSpur said:
I can see the prem agreeing to a no relegation approach and adding dirty Leeds and West Brom to the league, clubs might be pleased with an extra couple of home games revenue next season.
Hearts just got relegated in Scotland though? Why would they not have the same appeal meteorology?
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I hope they don’t do that. If two teams come up then two teams have to go down. Simple as that. The cynic in me thinks they wouldn’t be considering promotions with no relegations if any team other than Leeds occupied 2nd spot. Say Fulham for example. The title is pretty much sewn up. If there are no relegations then I really don’t see the point of going taking the risk of infections amongst players and staff is there is nothing riding on it, I.e. no relegations.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Test results take a few days to come back so same-day testing results are unlikely, although it maybe faster for private tests. Even if that were possible, if one player tests positive then all the other players, coaches etc. with whom that player has come into contact, would also have to self-isolate for 14 days. So one player testing positive would effectively wipe out the whole team from competing for a fortnight. You'd think that would be enough to void the league, assuming there is not enough time to re-arrange the games. But who knows. Coronavirusgate looms.
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Hmm. I don’t see how it can work then, one infection takes out a team for two weeks, which would impact 3 or 4 fixtures. I think in Germany they only made the people who tested positive isolate rather than those they’ve been in contact with though?
 
Jurgen the German said:
I hope they don’t do that. If two teams come up then two teams have to go down. Simple as that. The cynic in me thinks they wouldn’t be considering promotions with no relegations if any team other than Leeds occupied 2nd spot. Say Fulham for example. The title is pretty much sewn up. If there are no relegations then I really don’t see the point of going taking the risk of infections amongst players and staff is there is nothing riding on it, I.e. no relegations.
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I share your cynicism but the point of the risk for all the clubs concerned is to generate income for themselves. For those at risk of relegation they have deduced that the impact of relegation could be more costly than terminating the season.
My cynicism of the players view extends to wider society, people who aren’t being paid to work are willing to take some risk, those being paid not to work will find any reason they can to extend it, those working from home may want to extend it if they prefer the situation / have kids to look after. I see plenty of crowds of Multiple people socialising now at the park and I’m sure plenty of people who are suddenly afraid of any external contact would forget it when the pubs open.

The fact the guidelines seem open to personal interpretation doesn’t help.
 
MKSpur said:
Hmm. I don’t see how it can work then, one infection takes out a team for two weeks, which would impact 3 or 4 fixtures. I think in Germany they only made the people who tested positive isolate rather than those they’ve been in contact with though?
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Well, re the self-isolation, that is how I thought it would work (I appreciate I made it sound like fact rather than opinion).
The NHS app that the government is currently testing works on the basis that if you are identified as having come into close proximity with someone who tests positive, you are sent a message recommending that you self-isolate. I thought this was for 14 days (and so applied this to a footballing/work environment), but on checking, that is not the case, it is until you have taken a test yourself. If negative you come out of self-isolation.
So on that basis I guess it would be more workable, assuming clubs have easy access to testing and a fast turnaround of results.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Well, re the self-isolation, that is how I thought it would work (I appreciate I made it sound like fact rather than opinion).
The NHS app that the government is currently testing works on the basis that if you are identified as having come into close proximity with someone who tests positive, you are sent a message recommending that you self-isolate. I thought this was for 14 days (and so applied this to a footballing/work environment), but on checking, that is not the case, it is until you have taken a test yourself. If negative you come out of self-isolation.
So on that basis I guess it would be more workable, assuming clubs have easy access to testing and a fast turnaround of results.
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I thought the rules were isolation for 7 days if you currently have and continue to have no symptoms and 14 days if you have symptoms.

I guess isolating everyone coming into contact with that person until they are tested and their results are back is an even better way (assuming you have the tests). If that is the method though I would be interested to know how quickly after infection the virus can be detected (if using antibody tests I would've thought it would be a minimum of several days and is probably still a few days even using antigen testing) as there is a possibility of a player recent infection from their teammate that goes undetected. I don't see how the testing only solution will work unless we have RNA testing in place?
 
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