Spurs & Covid

[scaramanga]

FFS, out of all the people at the party there were only three Spurs players that train together etc. There were 15+ people they wouldn't normally interact with if they're following the rules and yet you are applying logic...

But they do spend time with people who spend all their spare time with those people.

So if it's highly transmissible they'd probably get it anyway and if it's not, great - they can safely have their party.

 

[Robspur12]

If a player's family member has it then it's virtually impossible said player doesn't.

If that player is likely to transmit it to another player at a party, they'll be at least as likely to transmit it at training, around the club, in a match, etc. Then the next player's family will.almost certainly have it.

End result is exactly the same except a group of players and their families didn't get to have a party.

Not if they are tested before training or matches and keep to the tight regime they are supposed to. As far as I am aware their wives are not tested though.

 

[Robspur12]

I'm saying the vast majority of people think it's ok to break the law as they do it all the time.

Only reason this is different is the kinds of people prone to panic have got themselves in a flap over it.

I still don't understand the point you are making. Because people occasionally speed we should be able to pick and choose which Laws we think are ok to break?

 

[Robspur12]

But they do spend time with people who spend all their spare time with those people.

So if it's highly transmissible they'd probably get it anyway and if it's not, great - they can safely have their party.

Not if they follow the rules properly. They should be tested before training and before matches. Those that receive a negative test can participate. Those that test positive isolate as do their contacts within a specified period. They do not mix households which reduces contacts, they don't go shopping, doubt many actually go to the supermarket anyway, they don't go out to hospitality venues. The main risk apart from work is then their kids' schools. Yes testing should reduce the risk to other players but you don't want key players out self isolating or ill during the season as it is disruptive.

 

[Favour]

Throw the book at them.

 

[Robspur12]

Why not remove any risk whatsoever and just cancel the season then? Even if you took the meets out the risks would still remain to players because bubbles include immediate family who go to the shops and schools etc, so football will never be 400% safe.

So if we are really concerned about the players welfare and those outside the sport lets do the logical thing based on whats happening in the world and bring an end to the season?

Because many clubs will go bankrupt. But like other jobs, if you can mitigate the risk why not continue? We don't want to lock things down but rather try to carry them out safely. However if footballers continue to act like prats then there is a case to stop football.

 

[scaramanga]

Not if they are tested before training or matches and keep to the tight regime they are supposed to. As far as I am aware their wives are not tested though.

They spend time with their wives anyway though. So if they're going to catch it from them it's far more likely they will on a normal day than at a party.

 

[scaramanga]

I still don't understand the point you are making. Because people occasionally speed we should be able to pick and choose which Laws we think are ok to break?

I'm not saying we should or shouldn't, just that we all do.

Which means we all decide which rules suit us and which ones don't. Those footballers did just that.

 

[scaramanga]

Not if they follow the rules properly. They should be tested before training and before matches. Those that receive a negative test can participate. Those that test positive isolate as do their contacts within a specified period. They do not mix households which reduces contacts, they don't go shopping, doubt many actually go to the supermarket anyway, they don't go out to hospitality venues. The main risk apart from work is then their kids' schools. Yes testing should reduce the risk to other players but you don't want key players out self isolating or ill during the season as it is disruptive.

You can't remove all risk of transmission without isolating all players from their families.

If someone in that group had it they'd be far more likely to spread it to a player in the masses of time they spend together at home that in a few hours at a party.

Those players then spend hours a day around each other - again, far more likely to spread than in a few hours at a party.

It's a risk, but a very small one given these groups are all linked anyway for large periods of time.

 

[Robspur12]

They spend time with their wives anyway though. So if they're going to catch it from them it's far more likely they will on a normal day than at a party.

If a player is more likely to contract the virus from his wife then to mix that same player with 5 wives makes him even more likely to contract it. This is why we are trying to reduce contacts. If the players however, all test negative then have a party amongst themselves with no other non tested people present, the risk, in that case , is negligible. But that's not the case with the party.

 

[scaramanga]

If a player is more likely to contract the virus from his wife then to mix that same player with 5 wives makes him even more likely to contract it. This is why we are trying to reduce contacts. If the players however, all test negative then have a party amongst themselves with no other non tested people present, the risk, in that case , is negligible. But that's not the case with the party.

If he spends all day with the players who are married to those wives then he's even more likely to contract it - if contracting it is likely in the first place.

Or, more likely, he's just not going to catch it at all.

 

[Robspur12]

If he spends all day with the players who are married to those wives then he's even more likely to contract it - if contracting it is likely in the first place.

Or, more likely, he's just not going to catch it at all.

No he is not. Assuming player A has kids at school or their wife has gone shopping or has a high risk job and in either case someone in their household now develops the virus. The transmission would involve player A only. The test at the training ground would then pick up the positive and player A then isolates from his team mates. Some players may also be contacts but not necessarily all. Contacts would have to self isolate.

If however players A B C and their wives all mix at a party then any of them could transmit the virus and all of them are likely to be contacts of a positive so they all have to self isolate.

Lanzini doesn't even play for the same team and is therefore in a different bubble entirely.

 

[scaramanga]

No he is not. Assuming player A has kids or their wife has gone shopping and in either case someone in their household now develops the virus. The transmission would involve player A only. The test at the training ground would then pick up the positive and player A then isolates from his team mates. Some players may also be contacts but not necessarily all. Contacts would have to self isolate.

If however players A B C and their wives all mix at a party then any of them could transmit the virus and all of them are likely to be contacts of a positive so they all have to self isolate.

Lanzini doesn't even play for the same team and is therefore in a different bubble entirely.

The test at the training ground won't pick anything up immediately.

He'll have a few days of spending a lot of time with other players before anything shows.

 

[Robspur12]

The test at the training ground won't pick anything up immediately.

He'll have a few days of spending a lot of time with other players before anything shows.

Some players may have to self isolate. But others will not. Everyone in that photo would have to though.

 

[scaramanga]

Some players may have to self isolate. But others will not. Everyone in that photo would have to though.

Not much point in isolating after they've spread it.

If a player catches it at the party and spends time around the rest of the team, testing and isolating will be too late.

 

[Robspur12]

Not much point in isolating after they've spread it.

If a player catches it at the party and spends time around the rest of the team, testing and isolating will be too late.

Again not necessarily. It isn't always the case that if a player tests positive the whole team isolates. Only people who meet the definition of contacts. It is also less risky being outside than inside a house.

 

[scaramanga]

Again not necessarily. It isn't always the case that if a player tests positive the whole team isolates. Only people who meet the definition of contacts. It is also less risky being outside than inside a house.

I didn't say they would have to isolate. I'm pointing out that the players spend far more time together at the club and at home with their wives than a few hours at a party.

 

[Lemonade Money]

Throw the book at them.

 

[thfcsteff]

I left mine at home, but just assume I'm waving it.

I wasn't referring to you.

 

[thfcsteff]

If you are a football fan of course

Not especially. I would suggest that those locked in close quarters with football fans who themselves are not are probably more grateful than fans themselves. Think about it.