That just isn't true. Israel won't leave them alone in their own state managing their own affairs so it is nebulous BS.
I agree. Sorry for using your post as a jumping off point in what ended up being a wall of text...
I'm well aware that I'm using strong terms in this discussion, but I also think that's warranted.
To me it's difficult to separate what Israel have been doing from a colonial project. Less brutal and slower than many or even most colonial projects of the past. And to Scara's earlier point slower than they would have it was only that and unimpeded by other factors.
But at the same time. Expanding their borders, occupying and settling land. Mistreatment, displacement,starvation and the "open air prison" situation (not my strong term).
That's not to say all Palestinians are innocent. I in no way shape or form support or condone antisemitism, violence against Israeli civilians or wishes to remove Israel from the region. No doubts there are legitimate grievances and concerns on both sides. I quite dislike arguments on both sides of this that gives the impression of either side being innocent in this. Including arguments that Israel is only defending itself or doing what they have to do for security.
I think the current path only leads to more of the same and I would like the international community, and particularly the US as Israel's strongest ally to draw a line in the sand. To be clear about how far this will be allowed to continue. No such luck so far. I genuinely think this could lead to what will later be recognised as a genocide.
The only paths to security the way I see it is through real peace or through genocide leading to "peace" ("the Romans create a desert and call it peace"). I think it's an othering of Palestinians to believe that they can be forced to give up on both their legitimate and illegitimate concerns through violence and suffering without at the very least the real and ongoing threat of genocide.
There are examples in history of people "giving up" and it leading to lasting peace somehow. Historic enemies becoming part of the same nation for example. But in this instance that one is explicitly off the table.
That's why I've asked for an example that can be the blueprint here. Not the exact same situation, but something similar enough to be at least something that can be aimed for that does bring "security" over time. I just can't see one, I just can't see how this leads to good outcomes. I would really like to be pointed towards one, even an imperfect one, some outcome down this path that can at least be hoped for.