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Set Pieces

11 corners to 1 - yet they score from theirs! Really disappointing.

I have a friend who is a Chelsea fan and he says Willian is an awful set piece taker and that he cant take corners. I said similar about Eriksen but I think to be fair he was a little better then usual today.
 
Ignoring penalties, Chelsea have scored 15 to our 9. I think that is quite significant in close games.

Also, it says Chelsea have only scored three direct free kicks to our ZERO. While that also tells a tale, I am sure that from memory Willian and Luiz have scored more than that this season!

Before getting dragged into this tedious, banal and in my most UNHUMBLE opinion utterly pointless debate, perhaps the reason we don't score former set-pieces such as free-kicks is because we don't fudging GET the ones we deserve because of refs like tacokinson who seem to think only the blokes in blue shirts are allowed to get free-kicks!!!!!!!!
 
11 corners to 1 - yet they score from theirs! Really disappointing.

If that goal is 'from a corner' then can we go through all our goals and start...no, wait, sorry, thaaaaat's right, pointless debate in my unhumble opinion! Sorry, I'l be leaving now...
 
If that goal is 'from a corner' then can we go through all our goals and start...no, wait, sorry, thaaaaat's right, pointless debate in my unhumble opinion! Sorry, I'l be leaving now...

You can go on about an unhumble opinion all you like, but the facts are the facts. Over the weekend, both semi final winners in both games came from corners, (Hazard and Sanchez), the Crystal Palace winner at Liverpool came from a corner (Benteke), the Swansea winner came from a corner (Llorente) and Hulls clincher also came from a corner (Clucas). That's just this weekend and and from the top of my head.

Rather than bleat on about a biased/ bad/ useless referee like some whinging scousers, we really weren't nearly as hard done by as City, who had a perfectly good goal ruled out by the officials, a cast iron penalty not given, and their best player chopped down so mercilessly that he had to go off in the first half. City have every right to be resentful of their ref. Us? Really not so.

We should concentrate on matters we can improve (i.e. Corners and free-kicks )rather than futilely, and ultimately fruitlessly, attempt to influence refereeing decisions in our favour.
 
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And the point continues to need to be made until we do something about it rather than bury our heads in the sand and say they aren't important.
 
And the point continues to need to be made until we do something about it rather than bury our heads in the sand and say they aren't important.

Oh give over!
FFS!
What do you think Pochettino does? Ignore them? What gonad*s! There has been more variation and change up to our corners than I've seen in years!!!!!!! The fact that we are getting more of them than we ever have is because we are the best side in the country!

Anyway, do you have any other observations from Saturday beyond bleating on about your immense disappointment in our set-piece conversion?!!!!!!
 
And the point continues to need to be made until we do something about it rather than bury our heads in the sand and say they aren't important.

How do you know that the difference between our return on corners and other clubs is down to training and preparation?
 
How do you know that the difference between our return on corners and other clubs is down to training and preparation?

What other explanation can there be ? Don't you find it strange that Toby, Verts and Dier haven't scored from a corner all season?
 
Oh give over!
FFS!
What do you think Pochettino does? Ignore them? What gonads! There has been more variation and change up to our corners than I've seen in years!!!!!!! The fact that we are getting more of them than we ever have is because we are the best side in the country!

Anyway, do you have any other observations from Saturday beyond bleating on about your immense disappointment in our set-piece conversion?!!!!!!

I thought we played well on Saturday and unfortunately didn't get the rub of the green. Chelsea scored from three dead ball situations and a worldie. Not much we could do about that (apart from not unnecessarily conceding them in the first place). I think we didn't get much help from the referee but I also said earlier that Emirates Marketing Project had much more to complain about their ref than we did. Have you ever refereed? It is a damn sight harder than it looks and refs only get one look at it in real time. Yes he could (and should) have booked Alonso and Kante earlier, but I don't feel that would have had as much effect as if we had scored from one of our set pieces.

As I continue to say, in finely balanced games (such as this one) we need to give ourselves every competitive advantage. While our corner variation has improved this season, on Saturday it went back to the same old , same old. We didn't create as much as half a chance from the 11 corners we had.
To give a golfing analogy. Corners are much like putting. They are a game within a game. You can be virtually certain that in every game we will have a few corners. To not give ourselves the optimum chance of scoring from them is much the same as a golfer not practicing his putting. It is a specialist area, where we still fall well short, not just of our rivals, but also the mean for the division. All I am saying is that we need to give proper attention to detail in this area, where we have hitherto been sorely lacking.

Indeed, as we are one of the most exciting and attacking sides in the country, we can surely anticipate that we will have above the average number of corners in a game. All I am saying is that we need to give ourselves the best possible advantage to capitalise on that situation. Not to do so would be negligent, no?
 
I thought we played well on Saturday and unfortunately didn't get the rub of the green. Chelsea scored from three dead ball situations and a worldie. Not much we could do about that (apart from not unnecessarily conceding them in the first place). I think we didn't get much help from the referee but I also said earlier that Emirates Marketing Project had much more to complain about their ref than we did. Have you ever refereed? It is a damn sight harder than it looks and refs only get one look at it in real time. Yes he could (and should) have booked Alonso and Kante earlier, but I don't feel that would have had as much effect as if we had scored from one of our set pieces.

As I continue to say, in finely balanced games (such as this one) we need to give ourselves every competitive advantage. While our corner variation has improved this season, on Saturday it went back to the same old , same old. We didn't create as much as half a chance from the 11 corners we had.
To give a golfing analogy. Corners are much like putting. They are a game within a game. You can be virtually certain that in every game we will have a few corners. To not give ourselves the optimum chance of scoring from them is much the same as a golfer not practicing his putting. It is a specialist area, where we still fall well short, not just of our rivals, but also the mean for the division. All I am saying is that we need to give proper attention to detail in this area, where we have hitherto been sorely lacking.

Indeed, as we are one of the most exciting and attacking sides in the country, we can surely anticipate that we will have above the average number of corners in a game. All I am saying is that we need to give ourselves the best possible advantage to capitalise on that situation. Not to do so would be negligent, no?

Have you thought about writing to Mauricio Pochettino about this? or perhaps writing to the individual players you feel are culpable for our failure to score from dead ball situations? Because posting about it on an internet board adfinitum is going to make exactly no difference whatsoever. Personally I hold Mr Eriksen responsible , his corners often fail to clear the first man and his free kicks have been woeful since he scored away at Swansea well over a year ago. Other elements of his play have been excellent , but generally his dead ball play has, to my eye at least, been very poor. I shall write to him.
 
Maybe this is the thread for it but i thought id look at our Wembley defeats to highlight something I said earlier - we have lost to a high calibre side at Wembley than we generally play in the league. But to evidence that I've got to the stats from the BBC....

Vs Monaco:
They scored with both their shots on target and didn't even get a corner... so 100% of their shots on target counted - 2 from 2
Vs Bayer:
They scored from 50% of there shots on target - 1 from 2
Vs Chelsea
They scored from almost all their shots on target - 5 from 4
Ill add Gent for context..
They scored 2 goals from 1 shot on target

So in those 4 games we have conceded 10 goals from 10 shots on target!!!!!

CSKA even managed 1 goal from 3 shots on target

In every game we were dominant on every other statistic pretty much including possession, corners etc...

We will not play teams that are this clinical much at all in the league next season, and maybe this season its a case of great finishing and bad luck. We did concede some poor goals vs Gent but chelsea and Monaco were great finishes to be fair (other than the pen)
 
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Have you thought about writing to Mauricio Pochettino about this? or perhaps writing to the individual players you feel are culpable for our failure to score from dead ball situations? Because posting about it on an internet board adfinitum is going to make exactly no difference whatsoever. Personally I hold Mr Eriksen responsible , his corners often fail to clear the first man and his free kicks have been woeful since he scored away at Swansea well over a year ago. Other elements of his play have been excellent , but generally his dead ball play has, to my eye at least, been very poor. I shall write to him.

Haven't you noticed - almost all the guff posted on here isn't going to make any difference whatsover!

I do hold Eriksen partially responsible as a professional footballer (especially one as talented as him) should be able to deliver better dead ball service.

However, my biggest gripe is the way we set up from corners. Almost all our players congregate like bobbing ducks on a rough pond in or close to the six yard box. Not one of them actually attacks a ball from a run beginning on the edge of the penalty area. For this set up, i blame the coaching staff, who must presumably be responsible for this ineptitude. All it takes is for say Dier or Toby to attack the near post, the other to attack the centre and Verts or Harry coming in round the back. Plus someone patrolling the edge of the penalty area ala Hazard on Saturday. It really isn't rocket science.
 
We scored from two crosses, so i think we can obviously assume practice them well enough. We probably need to practice closing our opponents down after corner a bit more if anything..
 
What other explanation can there be ? Don't you find it strange that Toby, Verts and Dier haven't scored from a corner all season?

There are quite a few reasons, off the top of my head some of them are:

1. Natural variation. In any set of numbers there will be a range. Even if every team in the league had identical sides and identical preparation, there would be variation in the number of goals scored from corners. The effect of this will be particularly marked where you have a low figure like goals scored from corners and a cluster of a few goals would have a marked impact on a team's return.

2. It may be a tactical decision. Poch may think that the risk of committing men forward for corners outweighs the potential return. A factor in this could be that many teams aim to soak up pressure and hit us on the break. I believe that Liverpool altered their approach to corners this season because of this.

3. We may have less players naturally suited to set pieces than the clubs with the highest return. Should we consider signing players who are less suited to our approach to open play to score more corners? Would the return on this be higher than the loss of goals from open play?
 
There are quite a few reasons, off the top of my head some of them are:

1. Natural variation. In any set of numbers there will be a range. Even if every team in the league had identical sides and identical preparation, there would be variation in the number of goals scored from corners. The effect of this will be particularly marked where you have a low figure like goals scored from corners and a cluster of a few goals would have a marked impact on a team's return.

2. It may be a tactical decision. Poch may think that the risk of committing men forward for corners outweighs the potential return. A factor in this could be that many teams aim to soak up pressure and hit us on the break. I believe that Liverpool altered their approach to corners this season because of this.

3. We may have less players naturally suited to set pieces than the clubs with the highest return. Should we consider signing players who are less suited to our approach to open play to score more corners? Would the return on this be higher than the loss of goals from open play?

Toby scored a corner vs Monaco didn't he?

Sure Jan hit the bar from a corner the other week too
 
There are quite a few reasons, off the top of my head some of them are:

1. Natural variation. In any set of numbers there will be a range. Even if every team in the league had identical sides and identical preparation, there would be variation in the number of goals scored from corners. The effect of this will be particularly marked where you have a low figure like goals scored from corners and a cluster of a few goals would have a marked impact on a team's return.

2. It may be a tactical decision. Poch may think that the risk of committing men forward for corners outweighs the potential return. A factor in this could be that many teams aim to soak up pressure and hit us on the break. I believe that Liverpool altered their approach to corners this season because of this.

3. We may have less players naturally suited to set pieces than the clubs with the highest return. Should we consider signing players who are less suited to our approach to open play to score more corners? Would the return on this be higher than the loss of goals from open play?

In response,

1. Agreed, but this "natural variation" has been going on long enough for reasonable conclusions to be drawn.

2. We do not under-commit numbers on corners.

3. I would take issue with this.Toby, Dier, Kane and Dele are all good in the air. Verts isn't too bad either. Wanyama and Dembele are monsters.Properly drilled, this fire-power should be good enough to out gun virtually all opponents. We don't need to change any players, just utilise what we have much better.

....and Cahill has just scored Chelsea's likely winner tonight..following a corner!!!!
 
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