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Serge Aurier

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SpurMeUp said:
How many posts have you written regarding football vs how many re. Gay rights?

Is the tripe about arsenal supposed to make us feel ashamed? Here's the kicker:

Some Frankie Howard like quips don't equal homophobia. If anything it shows how comfortable modern fans are with notions of gayness. Someone using a disparaging term - in French - doesn't mean they are homophobic. It is slanderous to call someone homophobic when you have no clear evidence of homophobia.

It's a bit 'the only gay on the board' - we know you're not the only gay person on here!

One thing rationally highlighting important issues to ensure Spurs is open and accepting, quite another calling everyone who alludes to anything remotely gay as a homophobe!
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Good post!
But I'm thinking it will only go to fan the flames of some peoples feeling of over sensitive self righteous indignation on this matter!?

Incoming!
 
As i said earlier there are certain folks who are being precious, get a grip and get over yourselves.

Why is there some who think being called a name really means anything? jésus christ.

"Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me"

If anything written here ( or anywhere for that matter) upsets folks well the simple thing is to not read it anymore instead of acting self-righteous.
 
As soon as I am not allowed to say "oooooooh matron" or "ooooooooh" to anything then I will give up and retire from life. Being camp is a way of my life and i have gay friends who do not get offended when I act camp or say a joke. it doesn't mean I hate gay people or am committing a hate crime. Neither is anyone else on this board.

This thread is becoming a joke as its turned into Newsnight.

Can I suggest that we all just reply to Posts about whether he has signed or his footballing ability and ignore the other posts as it's dragging on.

Edit. I've just seen that I've replied to his so I have taken none of my own advice ha.
 
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JPBB said:
Thank you for your thoughtful and personal note. I have taken a little time to respond.



Yes. My point is that I have realised that Spurs fans are as bad if not worse than other clubs. I had believed Spurs fans were different. I once had a long argument with Arsenal fans who claimed that the Spurs fanbase (in comparison with other fanbases) was out of touch, irrelevant, old school, bigoted and did not reflect the values of a great, diverse, modern city. I am now more inclined to agree with them.



I agree pointless arguing on here about whether Spurs should sign Aurier. It is more useful speaking with Donna Cullen about how signing Aurier flies in the face of all Spurs' equality and inclusion statements, petitioning Amber Rudd and encouraging Stonewall to make representations on this matter to the Home Office and the club.

As for the question as to whether there needs to be an argument about homophobia on this board. I think there does.



i don''t think people need to make homophobic jokes.



i do not know what you said but I do know that you show genuine remorse for those things. My problem is that Aurier has not shown remorse. Instead he has tried to deny and minimise his actions (promoted ad nauseam by the Aurier apologists). As you say, some people do not want to change i see nothing from Aurier that says he is genuinely remorseful or wants to change.



I am not in full agreement with you on this. Nor do I want to play policeman. That is Milo's job. I do think that it is important to speak out when you see homophobia, racism or other forms of injustice. On the other hand, I should expect criticism (and ultimately to be banned) for rocking the boat, confronting long held beliefs, and shining a light in the face of some pretty mouldy views on here.



If you can not see the scarcely disguised homophobia running through this thread then you are in denial.

As for your point about my ego, whether it is right or not, it does not change the strong argument against Spurs signing this bigot.



For me, he should not be signed unless he shows genuine remorse for his actions rather than minimise and deny them. i would rather lose a few more points, give a loyal servant and a young player a chance, than have an unrepentant bigot in a Spurs side.

Thanks for listening.
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No ones listening.
 
Hotshot-Tottenham said:
Come on mate. Whether you agree or not is one thing, but calling out a fellow Spur, hell - a fellow human regardless of owt else - isn't needed.

Either way, this thread has highlighted some pertinent divisions, that alone, are worth discussing - maybe not in this thread but elsewhere.
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Then let's take it elsewhere dude. 99% of us want to talk about his footballing ability and not talk about LGBT rights, we can talk about this in random if needed but it's getting a bit tedious now and going too off topic. Hell he has hasn't even signed yet but one member in particular is dragging a non issue out and it's a bit boring if I'm honest.
 
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JPBB said:
Thank you for your thoughtful and personal note. I have taken a little time to respond.

Yes. My point is that I have realised that Spurs fans are as bad if not worse than other clubs. I had believed Spurs fans were different. I once had a long argument with Arsenal fans who claimed that the Spurs fanbase (in comparison with other fanbases) was out of touch, irrelevant, old school, bigoted and did not reflect the values of a great, diverse, modern city. I am now more inclined to agree with them.



I agree pointless arguing on here about whether Spurs should sign Aurier. It is more useful speaking with Donna Cullen about how signing Aurier flies in the face of all Spurs' equality and inclusion statements, petitioning Amber Rudd and encouraging Stonewall to make representations on this matter to the Home Office and the club.

As for the question as to whether there needs to be an argument about homophobia on this board. I think there does.



i don''t think people need to make homophobic jokes.



i do not know what you said but I do know that you show genuine remorse for those things. My problem is that Aurier has not shown remorse. Instead he has tried to deny and minimise his actions (promoted ad nauseam by the Aurier apologists). As you say, some people do not want to change i see nothing from Aurier that says he is genuinely remorseful or wants to change.



I am not in full agreement with you on this. Nor do I want to play policeman. That is Milo's job. I do think that it is important to speak out when you see homophobia, racism or other forms of injustice. On the other hand, I should expect criticism (and ultimately to be banned) for rocking the boat, confronting long held beliefs, and shining a light in the face of some pretty mouldy views on here.



If you can not see the scarcely disguised homophobia running through this thread then you are in denial.

As for your point about my ego, whether it is right or not, it does not change the strong argument against Spurs signing this bigot.



For me, he should not be signed unless he shows genuine remorse for his actions rather than minimise and deny them. i would rather lose a few more points, give a loyal servant and a young player a chance, than have an unrepentant bigot in a Spurs side.

Thanks for listening.
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No problems. I respect your entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. Thanks for your reply.

I didn't mean that I think you have an ego only I feel your fighting a crusade that doesn't need to be fought against this board of posters and that maybe your seeing enemies where there isn't any.

I would take blatant discrimination on here seriously but I haven't seen it with my eyes as you have with yours.

we shall agree to disagree with this one I guess.
 
Poch doesn't stand for lack of harmony, or brick behavior in his teams. Obviously the club has considered his past and believes (likely with some assurances from him) that he can mature past that, if/when we sign him, we should back him.

This type of signing is what we are forced to do, the quality player with some kind of risk (either young, has to develop, small, something that makes the heavyweights not commit) .

From all that is said, he is an upgrade on Walker, which would be an amazing addition to the team.
 
glasgowspur said:
It's a sad day when calling some one spineless becomes more of an issue than assaulting a police officer.

And there is a poster on here who is being anti spurs fans, and judging all by the supposed actions of a few.
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I must admit that his choice of words are less of a concern to me than him publicly criticising (to put it mildly) his manager and team mates and of course the incident that is currently holding up the transfer.
 
Daisuk said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/900863816719794176

http://context.reverso.net/translation/french-english/une+fiotte

So it seems the whole homophobic thing is a wee bit exaggerated. This interpretation of the word even makes more sense in the context, as he could be calling his coach a coward for not doing so and so. Still a stupid thing to say, obviously, but maybe piling on the whole "he's homophobic because he said this word" is a bit over the top. How many of you guys have used the word "clam" or "dingdong"? Do you consider yourselves sexist?
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I don't think anyone dislikes gay people or their rights on here (those who have religious rules to follow have some conflicting influences). But Aurier himself, if he signs, needs to be judged on his actions with us. Inclusion is not only about being politically correct with what you say its also about giving everyone a fair chance.
 
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I think the biggest problem - even more so than the words spoken - are how quick we are to all cast judgement.

I don't know this man - but I know that I've said things, words, jokes, that I probably shouldn't have over 45 years of living. I know I didn't mean them - I was probably angry, hurt, trying to be funny or fit in, maybe even a bit drunk - and I'd be devastated to know if it went public that my entire character could be completely shoehorned into a box labelled "racist" or "homophobe" because of one mistake.

The other thing is for people calling for a better public apology - why is this a thing? He owes an apology only to the people he was speaking of or to. How can people be so offended that need an apology for something not only directed at them but something they weren't even there to hear.
 
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