Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
The manager we have had have played Dier
Not sure this is on levy as much as some think
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Ryan Mason
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Not sure this is on levy as much as some think
metalgear
Luka Modric
The managers that play Dier as first choice CB so far all previously had good reputations in organising defences...surely they would have known Diers potential - so why did they continue to play him?
Chrissivad
Chris Armstrong
Lack of other options.
But from the reports I can remember, Conte changed his mind on wanting to sell royal and Sanchez due to the work they were putting in at training.
Towards the end of Conte's time with us he was picking Tanganga over Sanchez to use off the bench.
At least 1 if not both of Sanchez and Tanganga should have been replaced with someone who would push Dier to back up.
But from the reports I can remember, Conte changed his mind on wanting to sell royal and Sanchez due to the work they were putting in at training.
Towards the end of Conte's time with us he was picking Tanganga over Sanchez to use off the bench.
At least 1 if not both of Sanchez and Tanganga should have been replaced with someone who would push Dier to back up.
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
Because they liked him and rated him
Gazza
Frederic Kanoute
Also because we failed to land skirinar and Jae for Mourinho (Not newspaper rumours).
And the likes of Bastoni for Conte ...
And that's fair, the problem is those managers should have understood even a 3rd or 4th choice CB would have been better
Gazza
Frederic Kanoute
Perhaps, or perhaps their other offerings were just not enough to justify the being being at the same or sub standard to dier at the last minute ... Rodon.
Don't know what the budget was then (Rodon timeframe), but we clearly had £40M in Jan, I see no world where there wasn't a CB option better than Sanchez/Dier available, especially as a FB in the role is doing a better job. To prove the point, Lenglet (who shouldn't be first choice but clearly isn't the clusterfudge of the other two) is available for £14M supposedly.
Conte did that with Lenglet when he wanted Bastoni etc.
It's very simple for posters to sit here saying what should have been done when you have zero actual information on what is going on in the real transfer market world rather than the one we have access to on Twitter. Especially when transfers are involving Spurs, it's just not that simple....
Gazza
Frederic Kanoute
Perhaps Mourinho/ Conte were prepared to wait to get their choice in CB rather than what was offered/ scouted at the time. I think Dier is in team by default rather than merit.
Yeah he Apparently wanted him at Man U. When Jose was at Spurs he started him for a period of time, but he ended up dropping him suggesting he wasn't quite as impressed having seeing him up close for some time....
Gazza
Frederic Kanoute
Perhaps changed his mind after seeing him first hand. I don't know if he was a big fan, probably somewhat the fact that he had Portuguese in his locker and looked like a real prospect after he burst on to the scene.
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
Now that I agree with
However for those managers to be willing to wait maybe they should have agreed a longer term contract (conte)
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
He wanted him at united
He spoke about him here positively too
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
In which case, if you are a true professional and supposedly "say it like it is" type of person, you tell the club that you are not in a position to continue and start doing some transition planning. But Conte would only "say it like it is" when he was criticizing others. Never when it came to him. Which is why I am glad he fudged off.
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
They would walk into our team now. Under Conte they would be getting 5 min cameos every other month. Missing out on Badiashile at that price was criminal, but that's what you get when your manager doesn't play "club signings."
spurspinter1
Pat van den Hauwe
I don't think a lot of that is a fair assumption, it's not downing tools, it's coping with having nothing to play for after throwing away the chance to be actually excellent. Win today it's a "meh", same as if they lose, they'd get paid near enough the same.
We were thoroughly outplayed today but it doesn't mean Mason's reputation was destroyed at all hopefully he'll get another chance elsewhere but it's mighty different going in to a season with hope rather than salvaging something from a trainwreck.
Fwiw though the system did look a mess today, if someone can demonstrate how Royal, Porro and Kulu can all operate on the right flank simultaneously (or just the pitch itself) effectively I'll be in your debt because it makes no sense to me.
tommysvr
Vedran Corluka
For some perspective. Not the hardest run of fixtures by any means, but they’re clearly very well organised and playing as well as they can under Emery.
Just goes to show why you can’t judge Ryan Mason based on the amount of games he’s had. A win against Palace and it’s “yeah maybe he could be an option”, lose against Villa away and it’s “he’s clearly not ready.” Too much short-termism, but that’s nothing new.
It’s also why I’m not overly concerned. Villa are a key indication of how quickly things turn around, and I’m sure they will revert to their norm and finish around 10th-14th next season.