Rodrigo Bentancur

[Baleforce]

The difference is that those were actually racists. Not one single person I've spoken to thinks that what Bentancur did was anything to do with racism. Not one!

I do.

 

[Baleforce]

I think what you have to at least take into account is people are products of their environment. Similar for people who lived decades/centuries ago and who held views that would be unacceptable in 2024. I am not excusing his comments or saying we have to accept it, but it doesn’t sound like his views exactly make him an outlier in that part of the world.

He’s in this part of the world now, and held to the standards of it.

That’s how things change.

The mission is to “kick racism out of football”, so let’s kick racism out of football.

 

[Baleforce]

So many players in our football come from different countries and cultures which don't have the same views as we have grown up with.

If they are here they are judged by our standards.

An American can’t walk the streets of London with an assault rifle just because they can do back in a flyover state.

 

[Muttley]

I’ve read it was actually in his home in the UK
That not 100% clear but has been reported by a few spurs journos

The FA's published policies

In the event the Participant claims he or she had a legitimate expectation of privacy, The FA will take into account whether or not such an
expectation exists and whether it is legitimate before charging. Where The FA considers that a legitimate expectation does or might exist, it will then take into account the circumstances of the particular case to determine whether such expectation is outweighed by the severity of the offence.

Now if it was a private interview in Rodrigio's house, then he is perfectly entitled to veto any part of that interview, delete it and start again. He clearly sanctioned for it to go public on Uruguay TV.

I have no clue what this is -

Looks legitimate, and tagged as The Sun Exclusive.

Watch at 1 min 55 secs. So do the media get sanctioned for not being able to tell the difference between Biss and Sarr? Does this race look all the same as well? Unbelievable.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

If they are here they are judged by our standards.

An American can’t walk the streets of London with an assault rifle just because they can do back in a flyover state.

But it doesn't stop them from thinking or saying they can shoot whoever they want if they consider in the right situation, got to educate them to have some empathy with other humans. Making things illegal rarely changes things as we all see each day.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

The FA's published policies

In the event the Participant claims he or she had a legitimate expectation of privacy, The FA will take into account whether or not such an
expectation exists and whether it is legitimate before charging. Where The FA considers that a legitimate expectation does or might exist, it will then take into account the circumstances of the particular case to determine whether such expectation is outweighed by the severity of the offence.

Now if it was a private interview in Rodrigio's house, then he is perfectly entitled to veto any part of that interview, delete it and start again. He clearly sanctioned for it to go public on Uruguay TV.

I have no clue what this is -

Looks legitimate, and tagged as The Sun Exclusive.

Watch at 1 min 55 secs. So do the media get sanctioned for not being able to tell the difference between Biss and Sarr? Does this race look all the same as well? Unbelievable.

Do you know for certain that he was aware he could change anything he didn't like in the final cut or is it an assumption? Bentancur may well hold that view and he will be banned for it, will the ban change that view or should he be encouraged to change it?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

The FA's published policies

In the event the Participant claims he or she had a legitimate expectation of privacy, The FA will take into account whether or not such an
expectation exists and whether it is legitimate before charging. Where The FA considers that a legitimate expectation does or might exist, it will then take into account the circumstances of the particular case to determine whether such expectation is outweighed by the severity of the offence.

Now if it was a private interview in Rodrigio's house, then he is perfectly entitled to veto any part of that interview, delete it and start again. He clearly sanctioned for it to go public on Uruguay TV.

I have no clue what this is -

Looks legitimate, and tagged as The Sun Exclusive.

Watch at 1 min 55 secs. So do the media get sanctioned for not being able to tell the difference between Biss and Sarr? Does this race look all the same as well? Unbelievable.

The media were fine with what was said
His excuse that he was correcting the interview is not how I see that body language

 

[Muttley]

Do you know for certain that he was aware he could change anything he didn't like in the final cut or is it an assumption? Bentancur may well hold that view and he will be banned for it, will the ban change that view or should he be encouraged to change it?

No, my point is that the FA have been clear that if it is media or social media in a public setting then it is clear. If it is in a personal setting then it needs to be assessed. I would think that is consistent with most company's view on this area. If someone is dangling a phone over your garden fence, and catches you singing 10 German Bombers, it is very different from you singing it at Wembley? That was only my point.

There's some interesting stuff on this website - https://www.thefa.com/inclusion-and-anti-discrimination/reporting-discrimination

 

[Muttley]

The media were fine with what was said
His excuse that he was correcting the interview is not how I see that body language

The issue in my mind is that he seems to not realise what he said was bad until after it had gone out publicly in Uruguay and looped all the way back to the UK and The FA. What I never really got to grips with is whether it caused outrage back in Uruguay until it kicked off in the UK.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

The issue in my mind is that he seems to not realise what he said was bad until after it had gone out publicly in Uruguay and looped all the way back to the UK and The FA. What I never really got to grips with is whether it caused outrage back in Uruguay until it kicked off in the UK.

I’d wager that in his home country it’s not racist

 

[Baleforce]

I’d wager that in his home country it’s not racist

The definition of racism doesn’t change at the border.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

The definition of racism doesn’t change at the border.

I agree
Hence why I’ve said that
Ignorance isn’t an excuse

 

[Mrs Vert]

We know why
Enzo was in an Intl comp
Rodrigo wasn’t at the point of the offence

And this is what annoys me. Apparently all of football are for kick it out. Yet different bodies are not dealing with Enzo cos of where he was. It's a joke and that's why it's all lip service. Cos if they really want to stamp it out they would do more than they are doing

 

[90291Spur]

I think Bentacur comes from a country where certain things are said and accepted as the norm. It’s possibly not a coincidence that 3 big players from one country have had bans for racism here

I was recently in Poland and talking to a taxi driver about work. He said you have issues in the UK, we don’t have her because we don’t let brown people in. I’d not believe he was being racist he was just stating things as he knew them.

I think some people suffer form ignorance of not knowing what is acceptable… I hope that’s the case anyway

One of my good mates is an Uruguayan who is mid 50’s and left there as a teen. He’s white. He will use the ‘N’ word and says that in Uruguay most people do. It’s their culture. So Lolo comes from a place where everyday language about black people is racist.

I have no clue what his own views are, but Uruguayans grow up that way in that culture.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

One of my good mates is an Uruguayan who is mid 50’s and left there as a teen. He’s white. He will use the ‘N’ word and says that in Uruguay most people do. It’s their culture. So Lolo comes from a place where everyday language about black people is racist.

I have no clue what his own views are, but Uruguayans grow up that way in that culture.

Exactly
What’s normal for one may not be for another
So the context has to be key
It’s not an excuse of course

 

[Gutter Boy]

One of my good mates is an Uruguayan who is mid 50’s and left there as a teen. He’s white. He will use the ‘N’ word and says that in Uruguay most people do. It’s their culture. So Lolo comes from a place where everyday language about black people is racist.

I have no clue what his own views are, but Uruguayans grow up that way in that culture.

South america is a bit of a strange place with race. They do use slightly pejorative race terms a lot and have a clear heirarchy (white, then black, then indiginous).

However mixed race friend groups and couples are ubiquitous, in contrast to europe where you get higher levels of ethnic segregation within populations. Especially in brazil, the levels of intermixing are so high, its unusual to see very white or very black people anymore, everyone is just somewhere in between.

So in some ways they live multiculturalism better than they talk it. Whereas in europe we talk a bit on eggshells, but are still not very good at integration

 

[Bedfordspurs]

South america is a bit of a strange place with race. They do use slightly pejorative race terms a lot and have a clear heirarchy (white, then black, then indiginous).

However mixed race friend groups and couples are ubiquitous, in contrast to europe where you get higher levels of ethnic segregation within populations. Especially in brazil, the levels of intermixing are so high, its unusual to see very white or very black people anymore, everyone is just somewhere in between.

So in some ways they live multiculturalism better than they talk it. Whereas in europe we talk a bit on eggshells, but are still not very good at integration

Uruguay from what I know of it is very different on that front

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

What a macaron. Ship the idiot out!

 

[Muttley]

The definition of racism doesn’t change at the border.

Herein lies the problem. It actually does.

....the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

Uruguay might just believe that Rodrigo wasn't calling Sonny inferior in any way. In their minds, he wasn't saying he was superior to his team mate. He was trying to be funny in his own way. I don't know that there was no backlash in his home country though. That was my original question.

It would not surprise me that if the western society now has more extreme definitions of all of the "isms". I'm not saying that our definitions are wrong, but we should be very careful not to have some type of superiority complex over other cultures who are further behind in the "ism" transition. That in itself shows a lack of inclusion and diversity on our part.

Then you have lazy racism like we saw with that Sun video on YouTube that I posted above. You can't be saying the words Bissouma and Sarr, when you're showing pictures of Sarr and Bissouma the other way round.

 

[Raziel]

One of my good mates is an Uruguayan who is mid 50’s and left there as a teen. He’s white. He will use the ‘N’ word and says that in Uruguay most people do. It’s their culture. So Lolo comes from a place where everyday language about black people is racist.

I have no clue what his own views are, but Uruguayans grow up that way in that culture.

It's not "just Uruguay", it's very common in Spanish culture

- In Madrid right now, corner stores/markets are called "Chino's" (literally -> Chinese shop)
- They still sell candy that the character on it is basically a black face caricature
- Very little sense of politically correct even in large business environments

Basically this was nothing out of ordinary in that culture, yes it was inappropriate in this culture, he's been corrected, club has taken action, a small token punishment from FA would have been ok from optics but to go as far as they did is fudging ridiculous.