Bishop
Les Ferdinand
We must have been on the Peroni all season.Last season, when we won the EL and played Brighton it wasn't the beach we were on. We were on the Peroni
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Muttley
Jermaine Jenas
We must have been on the Peroni all season.
Which one?
robp135
Gheorge Popescu
I’m not really a levy fan but from a brand Tottenham perspective he did a great job. Our clubs position in the “big club hierarchy” is lower than it should be due to Sugar not investing during the sports biggest boom period.
Muttley
Jermaine Jenas
Your comment reminds me a bit of Woolworths, Blockbuster, Nokia, Blackberry etc. There would have been a time in their history where they were in denial about their brand as it "used to be amazing" and "our leader has done great things".
I think our club's brand is in the toilet personally and Levy's hands are all over it. We're the club most PL fans want relegated. We're the club significantly good players try to avoid, we're the club that nobody wants to transact with on transfers. I could keep going on but unless our leadership team address this (and the club culture) we will see more of the same.
Levy and the club's brand management has been horrible, especially post stadium launch. Levy's own public and personal brand has always been an issue. The club's goes through good and bad phases. We're in a bad phase right now.
Bishop
Les Ferdinand
Both!
Bishop
Les Ferdinand
I wish I could have double liked this post.
Seriously mate, what are you talking about? Even if I say I'll give you everything else about the club you have said as true.
What club doesn't want to do transfers with us? what good players (who didn't have a better offer anywhere else) are avoiding us? Serious examples (MGW wanted to come, Eze/Mbeumo got better offers, who else?)
To me, this is why the media continuously runs click/ragebait about us, you can just say anything, regardless of how unsubstantiated and Spurs fans just lap it up, anything negative and "yep, that's us"
robp135
Gheorge Popescu
Yeh that’s one thing I never really understood about Levy. I live in the US and have done for 20 years now. Whenever I meet an American “Soccer” fan and they ask me who my team is and I say Spurs, the inevitable response is something about being sexy, bottle jobs etc. I expect this would be replicated everything except for South Korea. It has to be bad for business being the worst of the big clubs. We’re not under dogs so new fans looking to get on a journey can’t get behind us. We’re not winning trophies or competing for the league on a regular basis. Purley for the fan that is picking a team unless there is some sort of family tie or they got a ticket to a game why would they choose Spurs to support?
robp135
Gheorge Popescu
I am sure that @90sSpursBook will touch on this in season 2.
94/95 we sign Klinsmann, Popescu and Dumitrescu. This combines with a group of young English players Sheringham, Barmby, Anderton, Walker. Had we kicked on with Carr & Judas coming through, a good CB & CM signing would have turned us into a really strong side.
But Klinsmann and Popescu leave the club within a season and Dumitrescu who flopped. Sugar has had his fingers burner by “Carlos Kick a ball” and doesn’t make a marquee continental signing until Rebrov in 2001.
At that point we are a significantly bigger club than Chelsea in every aspect. History, Trophies won, Media attention, Attendence, Revenue, Global reach.
Chelsea bring in Hoddle as manager. He brings in Guilit who eventually replaced him. They bring in a litany of foreign stars and the FA Cup, League Cup and Cup Winners Cup.
Abramovic is then in the market for a London Football club. He is advised that Chelsea’s squad is much closer to being top level than Spurs and the rest is history. (The flying over Stamford Bridge story is a myth)
94/95 we sign Klinsmann, Popescu and Dumitrescu. This combines with a group of young English players Sheringham, Barmby, Anderton, Walker. Had we kicked on with Carr & Judas coming through, a good CB & CM signing would have turned us into a really strong side.
But Klinsmann and Popescu leave the club within a season and Dumitrescu who flopped. Sugar has had his fingers burner by “Carlos Kick a ball” and doesn’t make a marquee continental signing until Rebrov in 2001.
At that point we are a significantly bigger club than Chelsea in every aspect. History, Trophies won, Media attention, Attendence, Revenue, Global reach.
Chelsea bring in Hoddle as manager. He brings in Guilit who eventually replaced him. They bring in a litany of foreign stars and the FA Cup, League Cup and Cup Winners Cup.
Abramovic is then in the market for a London Football club. He is advised that Chelsea’s squad is much closer to being top level than Spurs and the rest is history. (The flying over Stamford Bridge story is a myth)
Chelsea's success is same as City, tainted/cheating, any club can be successful by losing 1M+ a week for 18 years in a row. I for one am glad we had nothing to do with Russian ownership directly tied to Putin's regime (only so far my hypocrisy can go).
I'd recommend you re-visit our history, fundamentally we had major financial problems plus the transition to PL/CL changed the way top clubs were paid that deeply affected Spurs. Summary we went from a % model to the Sky 4 reward model, that gave the clubs that happened to be at the top of table (not us) a headstart that only Spurs has managed to even close the gap on.
What has us being the more desired club to be relegated got to do with Levy? Why would you expect the majority to want West Ham or Forest or whoever to be relegated ahead of us? Anyone takes pleasure in the demise of a big club, if it was Man U Chelsea or the Goons in our position the fan reaction would be exactly the same towards them.
A big part of why we are hated is because we had the audacity to break into the top 4 and stay there. It was noticeable before it was nice harmless Tottenham playing pretty football, and once we became extremely competitive that perception towards us from rivals changed.
Honestly, Levy had plenty of failings but you're reaching somewhat trying to put that on him....
MartyFunkhouser
George Hunt
Yeh I have always been in this camp, I don't look at out two histories in the last 20 years with any envy TBH.
People like seeing giants felled - that's why there's such a clamour to see us relegated. The fact we're still seen as a giant is in no small part to how Levy had us at that level for most of his tenure. If we had carried on at the level we were at prior to him joining, a potential relegation wouldn't have meant so much to outsiders
robp135
Gheorge Popescu
chels
Chelsea had already overtaken us before the Russian money. Regularly in the top 4, signing top level players and winning trophies.
By 94/95 we were past those issues. Had the club kept Klinsmann, Popescu, Barmby would would have been in a great position. Add a good CB alongside Judus, someone like Southgate went that summer for good fee and another midfielder to play with Popescu we would have had a really good side.
Chelsea had already overtaken us before the Russian money. Regularly in the top 4, signing top level players and winning trophies.
By 94/95 we were past those issues. Had the club kept Klinsmann, Popescu, Barmby would would have been in a great position. Add a good CB alongside Judus, someone like Southgate went that summer for good fee and another midfielder to play with Popescu we would have had a really good side.
They mortgaged their future under Ken Bates reaching that level and would have gone bust were it not for Abramovich coming in.
Anyone could do the same if they're prepared to gamble the clubs existence
PL was founded in 1992, the previous sponsorship deal benefitted us more, between 92 - 02 we finished outside of top 10 six times, never better than 7th, one European appearance, our finances were significantly handicapped by income.
Lost Mango
Niko Kranjcar
Wasn't it more that ENIC had bought out Sugar only a year before that and weren't thought to be likely to sell at a reasonable price? May have my timelines confused but don't think we were on the market in the same way that bankrupt Ken Bates has Chelsea.
Also didn't we sign foreigners such as Ginola, Saib, Iversen, Berti, Freund, Vega, Neilsen etc in the post Klinsmann era? Maybe not marquee but it hardly suggested that Sugar's anti-Klinsmann rant actually limited our shopping - perhaps more that we have always had poorer scouts?
MartyFunkhouser
George Hunt
Yeh I think there are some dates being mixed in this thread. 2023 off my head is when Roman came in, so 8/9 years after Klinsmann and Co and only a season or so after Levy and Co
By the time Graham was here, Sugar was well documented to be wanting out and was jaded by the abuse he was getting at games. He has been really vocal about that.