Richarlison

[thfcsteff]

Harry Kane is course. Why would I compare to a middling player? Do we want ultimate success or not?

I'm comparing every player to flipping Messi. The closer they get to that standard the better they are obviously.

It's not even blinkers, I'm just not swayed by the fairly simplistic notions like "he scored, he must have had a good game!". Instead I'm more interested in how was his general performance? How was his hold up play? Link play? Quality of his passing? Did he move the team forward? Was his overall contribution net positive? What could he have done in specific situations etc? For me he scores poorly in those areas and of course that's a personal bias in terms of what I want to see from a forward but that's my criteria.

I have exacting standards and just because I support Tottenham doesn't mean I or even we should lower them. Lowering them is why we've largely won fudge all for so long because we are always so quick to defend and excuse lower quality rather than demanding better. One day if we ever get a league winning side you we will see that the standards that's I'm following preaching about are exactly the standards we will have hit to win the league. I await that day.

Just to say, I posted after this reply and I think you already answered most of the discussion. Appreciate the engagement.

 

[Bishop]

EVERY player has 'failings' it depends what you expect of them measured against what they do, and hown they're being used.

Of course that's a good place to start, but some players are elevated by their teammates and how systems are built. Richarlison is a very good player. His injury record has absolutely impeded his output. He has been deployed as a CF and LW mostly; you could speculate that if he had solely been played as CF, he'd have even more goals.

I am in TOTAL agreement that we should always upgrade when we get the chance. I just am not seeing a striker right now in Richy's price range who is significantly better than him. Interested in who you see that is.

(BTW a very interesting discussion IMO and appreciate you engaging)

Yeah I'm always up for the discussion. I'd never just attack your view and run away. I love the tactical chat and seeing the varying viewpoints and I'm not afraid to state my own views no matter how controversial they might be on this forum.

I think with Richy I've just watched him for many years and none of this new to me or unexpected, he's very much the player he's always been injuries for us or not.

I think the price range argument kind of misses the mark because there are always players if varying strata available, it just takes diligent and intelligent scouting. Not to do the hindsight thing but João Pedro was bought for less than what we paid for Richy 3 years later and at a younger age as well. So if you look around I don't think it's particularly difficult to find better than Richy.

 

[thfcsteff]

Yeah I'm always up for the discussion. I'd never just attack your view and run away. I love the tactical chat and seeing the varying viewpoints and I'm not afraid to state my own views no matter how controversial they might be on this forum.

I think with Richy I've just watched him for many years and none of this new to me or unexpected, he's very much the player he's always been injuries for us or not.

I think the price range argument kind of misses the mark because there are always players if varying strata available, it just takes diligent and intelligent scouting. Not to do the hindsight thing but João Pedro was bought for less than what we paid for Richy 3 years later and at a younger age as well. So if you look around I don't think it's particularly difficult to find better than Richy.

He's a good comparison TBF. I don't think they're as easy to find, however you could be right and an improvement in scouting might well be the way forward.

I will wait til the end of the season to judge Richy, albeit I think this will likely be his last with us. IF he can stay fit and rotate whilst still being 'in rhythm' then we'll see if he can hit the numbers which his 'fit' stats suggest he can.