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Richarlison

I agree to an extent but how can we claim these youngsters are successful? What have they done to be given that accolade?! Ange may or may not be a good manager, that has been debated a lot elsewhere but I'm sure he's not stupid and if we need a goal and he's not bringing Lankshear on until the last 5 mins there has to be reason for that. We can't say he doesn't use youth when Gray, Bergvall and Moore were regularly getting minutes even before all the injuries


Well a lot of them were in the European under 21s cup winners squad.
 
Well a lot of them were in the European under 21s cup winners squad.
I guess so, success at that level doesn't always equate to being good enough in an elite league. Similarly to Abbott, Donley etc doing well in the lower leagues doesn't mean they're destined to make it in the PL
 
I guess so, success at that level doesn't always equate to being good enough in an elite league. Similarly to Abbott, Donley etc doing well in the lower leagues doesn't mean they're destined to make it in the PL


You can move the goal posts. You asked the question. I answered it.

But still you are negative.
 
You can move the goal posts. You asked the question. I answered it.

But still you are negative.
I don't see it as negative, just finding a reason why Ange is reluctant to play players such as Lankshear, Olusesi etc except for the odd 5-10 min cameo. I'm not moving any goalposts, just saying success in an under 21 tournament doesn't mean they're ready for the huge step up into PL football. I wish these players were ready a la Gray, Bergvall but it seems they are not, in the managers mind at least
 
I don't see it as negative, just finding a reason why Ange is reluctant to play players such as Lankshear, Olusesi etc except for the odd 5-10 min cameo. I'm not moving any goalposts, just saying success in an under 21 tournament doesn't mean they're ready for the huge step up into PL football. I wish these players were ready a la Gray, Bergvall but it seems they are not, in the managers mind at least
I'm not saying Lankshear is ready for full Prem football.
I'm saying that if you play Solanke 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 it is guaranteed his hamstring will explode. And it did.
You can't do that, it kills the squad. You have to take your medicine and play some kids to relieve pressure.
Porro and Deki will be next, we can all see it coming. Get them to play 60 and then get them off the pitch.
 
I personally think Richarlison is a worse forward than Soldado and Iverson.

He is a comically bad footballer.

He traps a ball further than I can kick it.
 
I'm not saying Lankshear is ready for full Prem football.
I'm saying that if you play Solanke 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 it is guaranteed his hamstring will explode. And it did.
You can't do that, it kills the squad. You have to take your medicine and play some kids to relieve pressure.
Porro and Deki will be next, we can all see it coming. Get them to play 60 and then get them off the pitch.

This is the point, sometimes it’s not about who you play, but who you don’t.
 
I'm not saying Lankshear is ready for full Prem football.
I'm saying that if you play Solanke 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 it is guaranteed his hamstring will explode. And it did.
You can't do that, it kills the squad. You have to take your medicine and play some kids to relieve pressure.
Porro and Deki will be next, we can all see it coming. Get them to play 60 and then get them off the pitch.
28 outfield PL players have played more minutes than Solanke this season and haven’t got injured.
 
28 outfield PL players have played more minutes than Solanke this season and haven’t got injured.
Most probably aren't doing the sprints and getting beaten up by 2 centre backs. Some will become injured. Some won't. There are always outliers in any data set.
 
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I don't see it as negative, just finding a reason why Ange is reluctant to play players such as Lankshear, Olusesi etc except for the odd 5-10 min cameo. I'm not moving any goalposts, just saying success in an under 21 tournament doesn't mean they're ready for the huge step up into PL football. I wish these players were ready a la Gray, Bergvall but it seems they are not, in the managers mind at least
I agree with you re Lankshear but methinks quite reasonably that Olusesi may not be ready at just 17. Let's face it, there are not many 17 year olds in the league at the moment
 
I don't see it as negative, just finding a reason why Ange is reluctant to play players such as Lankshear, Olusesi etc except for the odd 5-10 min cameo. I'm not moving any goalposts, just saying success in an under 21 tournament doesn't mean they're ready for the huge step up into PL football. I wish these players were ready a la Gray, Bergvall but it seems they are not, in the managers mind at least

The pattern of who Ange plays is actually quite predictable

- Bergvall, Gray, Kinsky, Johnson, even VDV & Udogie, all had 40+ -> 100+ games at full professional level
- I'm pretty sure Vuskovich would (if Ange was here next season) get a look in.

It's the players who haven't, Lankshear, Austin, even Moore who get severely rationed minutes.
 
I personally think Richarlison is a worse forward than Soldado and Iverson.

He is a comically bad footballer.

He traps a ball further than I can kick it.

I quite like him. Not a world beater, obviously, but works really hard, a good header, often at the end of crosses, can do a bit of skill in and around the box, can finish really well with a bit of confidence. If it weren't for his injuries, he would be a more than good enough backup for Solanke for me. Too bad he's made of glass.
 
he will when he has no other choice - like how he did with grey, bergvall, spence, kulu in the middle - then we find out they were good enough
He integrated Gray, Bergvall and Moore in the EL from the start. Said they were bought for this season. He integrated Sarr and Udogie immediately in the league.

I guess there's an argument for him not integrating the academy players other than Moore much. But I also think there's an argument for saying that there's been a limited number of them ready to be integrated with most of those furthest along being sent out on loan.
 
I personally think Richarlison is a worse forward than Soldado and Iverson.

We have our very own Donald Trump on the site. A WUM saying things for the sake of attention. You forget that Richi does actually score goals and assists....
 
I personally think Richarlison is a worse forward than Soldado and Iverson.

We have our very own Donald Trump on the site. A WUM saying things for the sake of attention. You forget that Richi does actually score goals and assists....
If you press the button that says 'Reply', we get to see who you are replying to, instead of it looking like you are talking to yourself.
 
He integrated Gray, Bergvall and Moore in the EL from the start. Said they were bought for this season. He integrated Sarr and Udogie immediately in the league.

I guess there's an argument for him not integrating the academy players other than Moore much. But I also think there's an argument for saying that there's been a limited number of them ready to be integrated with most of those furthest along being sent out on loan.

I think we've discussed this before. I think Ange casts his eyes over the the full landscape of available academy players with Burnett and (Stuart) Lewis and the 3 Spurs managers select the ones most likely to make it. That is based on what they see now and regardless of whether they're 16 or 21. They pivot that way rather than prioritise who is most physically capable of dealing with the games now. I don't think Burnett is building a case for keeping some key players for the U21 games but that could also be a reason why the younger players are getting selected over the 21 year olds.

I have no doubts that Cassanova, Ashcroft, Robson etc are more physically prepared for mens football but I'm getting the feeling they'll roll off the Spurs roster at the end of season. Olusesi won't. His readiness will get tested further by heading out on loan before he is considered for the 1st team.

These are very extreme circumstances. I cannot ever remember a time where we learnt so much about our academy. The games are now accessible through SpursPlay and they are so much better reported on. It's good stuff actually.
 
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