I don't care about points. I care about where we finish.
You do realise that points determine where we finish right?
I don't care about points. I care about where we finish.
You do realise that points determine where we finish right?
Jumpers, don't bother. I argued this logic at the end of last season about how I would much rather finish 3rd with less points than the season before. Do you think Man United will be happy if they set a record points total but lose the title to Emirates Marketing Project?
But if a record number of points only gets us 5th, even though we've been 4th with less points before, it doesn't make that season a failure. At least that's how I see it.
While history may only look at the finishing positions, I find the number of points we pick up a better indicator of progress.
Your perception I would guess. Redknapp is one of the more stable managers around when a club hires him. His longest managerial reign was Bournemouth if I remember correctly, and he left Portsmouth on political grounds but when you actually take how long he was there for he was there for a while. He was our longest serving Premiership Manager. You are alluding to the fact that because he only sticks around 3 or 4 seasons (which I believe to be factually incorrect anyway) that there is something wrong with him. But in reality, he tends to stay in his jobs longer than most managers and he has been a professional manager for 30 years so he must be doing something right.
Just to bring this into perspective from our Premiership era and the managers.
Redknapp : 6 clubs over 30 years
AVB : 4 clubs over 4 years
Ramos : 15 clubs over 23 years
Jol : 8 clubs over 22 years
Hoddle : 5 clubs over 15 years
Graham : 4 clubs over 19 years
Gross : 6 clubs over 25 years
Francis : 6 clubs over 18 years
Your perception I would guess. Redknapp is one of the more stable managers around when a club hires him. His longest managerial reign was Bournemouth if I remember correctly, and he left Portsmouth on political grounds but when you actually take how long he was there for he was there for a while. He was our longest serving Premiership Manager. You are alluding to the fact that because he only sticks around 3 or 4 seasons (which I believe to be factually incorrect anyway) that there is something wrong with him. But in reality, he tends to stay in his jobs longer than most managers and he has been a professional manager for 30 years so he must be doing something right.
Just to bring this into perspective from our Premiership era and the managers.
Redknapp : 6 clubs over 30 years
AVB : 4 clubs over 4 years
Ramos : 15 clubs over 23 years
Jol : 8 clubs over 22 years
Hoddle : 5 clubs over 15 years
Graham : 4 clubs over 19 years
Gross : 6 clubs over 25 years
Francis : 6 clubs over 18 years
He didn't have a high turnover of players at Spurs after transfer window number one. As has been pointed elsewhere when he left, a lot of the players in our team were ones that had been there before he arrived. What Redknapp did (or tried to do with the limited funds available) was tweak the squad and first team where he could. AVB is performing a major overhaul. I am not surprised by this, simply because AVB is trying to implement a new system and style of play and a lot of the previous players don't fit into that system. My biggest fear is that I think I know what system AVB wants to play. And we are still 4 or 5 first team players off of playing it. He plays 442 this year and we have a great chance. He won't.
It's all relative to how good the other teams in the league are. Lets say the league is more competitive than it was last season, I couldn't care less if we finished 4th/3rd with say 69 points.
Jumpers, don't bother. I argued this logic at the end of last season about how I would much rather finish 3rd with less points than the season before. Do you think Man United will be happy if they set a record points total but lose the title to Emirates Marketing Project?
well, this is his second season with one of the best squads i have ever seen , if we keep bale then there is no excuse for us not making CL qualification
even though i think we will finish top 6 again
I woud have to say that IF he keeps Bale (and if Bale doesn't spend 3 months getting his brick together) then I would absolutely expect not just top 4 but for us to aim for 1 or 2!!!!
... In the same way I am unable to refute all of Gifter's claims in Random, because my shallow understanding of all the subjects just highlights my own ignorance and stupidity.
I'd rather finish first every season and couldn't give a crap if we managed it with only 20 points. That's not an indicator of how good we were though, that's an indicator of how good we were combined with how bad other teams were.
I know I've asked this question 3 or 4 times now, but everyone keep evading it:
If the Utd, City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool squads were all in some terrible accident and couldn't play, we managed 55 points in the season but won the league due to the others not being there - does that make us better than a team with 70 points and 5th?
If you're happy winning a brick league rather than progressing in a good one, why don't we just shift the team to Scotland? We could sell half our squad and still win the league every season.
I'd rather finish first every season and couldn't give a crap if we managed it with only 20 points.
If you're happy winning a brick league rather than progressing in a good one, why don't we just shift the team to Scotland?
I'd rather finish first every season and couldn't give a crap if we managed it with only 20 points. That's not an indicator of how good we were though, that's an indicator of how good we were combined with how bad other teams were.
I know I've asked this question 3 or 4 times now, but everyone keep evading it:
If the Utd, City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool squads were all in some terrible accident and couldn't play, we managed 55 points in the season but won the league due to the others not being there - does that make us better than a team with 70 points and 5th?
If you're happy winning a brick league rather than progressing in a good one, why don't we just shift the team to Scotland? We could sell half our squad and still win the league every season.
That is such a preposterous scenario but ill do my best to respond. Well 55 points would be a low total but it means we would have done as much as we had to to win the league. Using your analogy, you would be happier finishing 8th with 68 points rather than 3rd with 67?
Once again, it's all relative to how strong the league is. I see some value in being happy with setting a points total, but to me, the league position is the more important of the two, and yes I know the two are linked.
Those 2 lines shoot their pedantic argument down in flames.