He does more with them than Defoe and that's all I care about.
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Poll: last 4 games: Defoe or Adebayor? Or both?
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He does more with them than Defoe and that's all I care about.
His movement is tinkle-poor - are you having a laugh?
Those little statistics from some fan-boy twitter blog mean nothing if his 'touches' fail to contribute to anything meaningful. Imagine how many times Parker touches the ball with his 1-2s back to Dawson.
I know you hate Defoe but this is something else - Ade has been fudge poor
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
We need his goals though.
Bale's whole emergence over the winter (remember he didn't start the season especially well) co-incided with Defoe getting injured and Ade coming in.
Ade just keeps possession in our opponents half (in contrast to Defoe who gives it away 9 times out of 10) and feeds it back into that area that Bale occupies. He also pulls wide to create that space for Bale to come into the middle.
Why is it impossible to debate without referencing some sort of agenda? People genuinely don't rate Defoe and list reasons why. It's not an agenda, it's their opinion. Conversely the same for Ade.
I actually am starting to miss Keane v Defoe now
And for the last 4 months Defoe has been poorer. That's my point. It's a choice between the two, not whether any of them are world class.
And what do Ade's 'involvements' end up with - bouncing off his knee into touch or being dispossessed for the 87th time? Defoe carries far more goal threat at moment, as far as I'm concerned.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Its nearly 40 vs 10 IIRC, so four times as often.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
I actually agree, but Bale's form is not linked to Ade either. But there were games when both Defoe and Bale either scored in or played well in, but that doesn't mean the two are connected. I simply feel Defoe is more likely to get us a goal. We've got a team that doesn't get enough goals.
You can use whatever word you like - but if a player is always berated for something irrespective of context and actual reality - then surely something else is going on
What goal threat is that? Not being involved, shooting from hopeless positions, not being able to pass to better positioned team mates? He scored one goal on a counter attack against City, he's not good enough to start as a lone striker. Ade is marginally less useless.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Just to add this to the debate; Defoe played with Bale and Dempsey/Lennon against a team that will probably be the one with the worst defence. If we looked a bit 'non-threatening' against them, how do you think we'll do in the remaining 4 against much better defences?
Like you with Ekotto, or Adebayor himself you mean? Or perhaps Brad Friedel?
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
You have a very selective memory. Are you only counting the games where you feel Ade has played well in or Defoe has played badly in?
Exactly, what is with all the Ade hating?
Kingdawson
Banned
I think Defoe is far more of a danger away from home this season. His game suits our away set up so i would generally start with him away from home and Ade at the Lane.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Definitely this. Ade keeps possession, keeps it simple, and with him Bale/Dempsey/Siggy score the goals. Defoe justs blasts balls into row z and we're right back on the defensive again.
To decide which player is in better form isn't it best to look at the most recent games? Defoe hasn't played well in any game apart from the short spells as a sub against Arse and City.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Basically, we could play a striker who plays 5 out of 10's and is more likely to score, or play a striker who gives us 6 out of 10's but couldn't score in a brothel.
I think Ekotto is an average player but always recognise his good games and would definitely have him ahead of right-footed Naughton for the rest of the season
Whereas the anti-Defoe crowd will NEVER accept this man in our team.
I regard Friedel as inferior to Lloris - not sure that was ever an argument really?
Yes, because our other players do better with Adebayor out there. It's not necessarily about what he does or doesn't do, we just look better as a team.