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Luka Modric
Think its time i started a crowd funding page, sure i can come up with something that all these people that are desperate to give away their for will donate to.
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Politics, politics, politics
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Rorschach
Sonny Walters
The publicity and the green party thing are irrelevant to the argument. And it was you who brought up the idea to give the same to Sinn Fein to balance the books. Of the course the money is going in NI coffers but it is being given for DUP votes. This is not disputed. Sounds a lot like bribery to me.
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Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Can we sue the Lib Dems for the £75m their bribe (the 2011 AV referendum) cost?
It was you who suggested that this wouldn't be happening without a chance of success. Clearly that's not true - a law firm wanting publicity and a politician who, by his choice of party, has condemned his career to one of ridicule and obscurity would bring this case regardless of the chances of success.
So the political nutjob and the attention seeking law firm will be required to show both that:
(a) Financial or other advantage was given to a person (not NI in general)
And
(b) That a requirement of that payment will result or has resulted in improper conduct.
The bar for proving this is really high. Even your most swivel eyed Guardian reader would have trouble convincing people that either applies, let alone both.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Ah I didn't realise we are in the make your case by using demeaning labels phase of the argument. I'll skip this bit. The case as you already know is not the bribery aspect but the impartiality. I can't tell if it has any legal merit or not, I'm not a lawyer, You think it's all a publicity stunt. Maybe it is but the argument seems pretty sound to me.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Hell of a lot of bribery going on in politics then, frankly it is just usual politics. If it went slightly the other way the SNP would have demanded money from Corbyn to prop him up. In fact Scotland holds Westminster to hostage quite regularly the tories to scared to do anything for looking like the bad guys, and Labour know they get votes up there so always try to keep them sweet when they are in power.
Really might be distasteful but it has been going on for years and will go on for more.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
The usual token gestures by the left wing establishment that is the BBC. They do those token gestures now and again to seem impartial, like back when racists used to say I cant be racist I have black friends.
Time to get rid of the BBC the people that protest the most about the prospect of it going should tell you all you need to know about what sort of organisation it is.
It is a pretty basic and transparent tactic used in politics now. May did a big thing before the election about putting a mental health care worker into every school to make the tories look like they were kind and caring. Then had a policy where they wanted to rip an animal from limb to limb while some weirdos got their socks off to it.
Labour now and again like to pretend they care about their traditional working class vote. So Corbyn will sit in a working mans club up north and drink a pint of bitter while saying he understands people's fears about mass immigration. It is all just spin while they keep following their deep rooted beliefs.
I thought I was being comparatively polite to Guardian readers and I think my description of Green Party membership is a compliment compared to stark reality.
You only need to read McClean's own statement to see how weak the case is.
In his own words, "How can there be impartiality when one of the executive parties has the UK government over a barrel?"
He has either intentionally or through stupidity (from what little I can find of him on Google, I have good reason to assume the latter) misunderstood the agreement between the government and the DUP. The government has arranged for extra funding for NI in return for votes on a number of very specific items. The votes on which the government expects the DUP to back them have already been agreed, ahead of them being presented to parliament.
So the DUP don't "have the government over a barrel" in fact, the DUP would have more weight in a situation where the votes hadn't been agreed in advance.
The only thing that has caused the DUP to have greater influence than Sinn Fein in this situation is Sinn Fein being ridiculous and petty (some things never change).
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I also found some pictures of him. He has a face that looks like someone deflated a potato then kicked the fudge out of it. His features have the kind of closeness that only centuries of inbreeding can achieve.
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I don't think the editors of their political programs being Tory is a token gesture, just shows the "left-wing bias" thing is a load of b0ll0cks. Establishment bias, definitely. Kuensberg, Andrew Neil, Paxman, all Tories though.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
It would be true if it were not for the fact that they are far far out weighed by lefties and luvvies though.
Not in their political news. Editors and presenters overwhelmingly Tory. Dimbleby, another one. Was good to see them all sh1t the bed when the exit poll came out at the last election.
Maybe it's not an establishment bias, maybe it's just some kind of patriotism. Defending the country against those who wish it harm, etc.
Nah.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
I can't argue with that.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Oh my GHod, if you actually truly believe that well then good luck to you.
But I warn you and I have an increasing amount of time on my hands, if I were to start posting every bit of obvious left wing bias the BBC indulge in then I would fill this thread up. Even Andrew Marr said it was left wing and Paxo came out this week saying how it always focused on leftish issues. Everyone knows the BBC is left wing, nothing wrong in it if we did not have to pay a licence fee for it.
I get a kick out of the people who usually slag off Fox News when we have something equally biased here in the UK but everyone who owns a t.v. has to contribute to it.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...BC-is-biased-toward-the-left-study-finds.html
The corporation has long been accused of left-wing bias, but now researchers claim to have found statistical evidence that challenges the broadcaster’s claim to fairness.
The BBC are more likely to cover left-wing think tank reports and to hail them as “independent” while giving right-wing research a “health warning” by pointing out its ideological position, the Centre for Policy Studies have found.
Oliver Latham, who compiled the Bias at the Beeb report, said: “Our results suggest the BBC exhibits a left-of-centre bias in both the amount of coverage it gives to different opinions and the way in which these voices are represented.”
The team compared the coverage given to think tanks on the BBC website with that given by the Guardian and the Daily Telegraph.
THE BBC has opened itself up to more accusations of left-wing bias after spending £139,260 on copies of The Guardian. ... In the last year it bought 69,212 issues of the left-leaning newspaper — equivalent to more than 1,330 a week. ... It also spent £28,661 on 56,317 copies of The Sun ...
Best website on the internet after girls in custard https://biasedbbc.org/quotes-of-shame/
The corporation has long been accused of left-wing bias, but now researchers claim to have found statistical evidence that challenges the broadcaster’s claim to fairness.
The BBC are more likely to cover left-wing think tank reports and to hail them as “independent” while giving right-wing research a “health warning” by pointing out its ideological position, the Centre for Policy Studies have found.
Oliver Latham, who compiled the Bias at the Beeb report, said: “Our results suggest the BBC exhibits a left-of-centre bias in both the amount of coverage it gives to different opinions and the way in which these voices are represented.”
The team compared the coverage given to think tanks on the BBC website with that given by the Guardian and the Daily Telegraph.
THE BBC has opened itself up to more accusations of left-wing bias after spending £139,260 on copies of The Guardian. ... In the last year it bought 69,212 issues of the left-leaning newspaper — equivalent to more than 1,330 a week. ... It also spent £28,661 on 56,317 copies of The Sun ...
Best website on the internet after girls in custard https://biasedbbc.org/quotes-of-shame/
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
’high profile’ Labour members with links back to the BBC include: Peter Mendleson (Media guru for Tony Blair with closer links to Greg Dyke (from LWT TV). Greg Dyke later become Director General of the BBC), Will Hutton (Guardian journalist to BBC Journalist), Liz Fogan (BBC and Guardian Journalist), Andrew Rawnsley (BBC to New Labour activist), James McNaughtie (Guardian to BBC staff Radio 4), (1997) Lance Price (BBC to New Labour activist), Martin Sixsmith (BBC to New Labour activist), Tom Kelly (BBC to New Labour activist), Ed Richards (BBC to New Labour activist), Bill Bush (BBC to New Labour activist), Catherine Rimmer (BBC to New Labour activist), John Birt (BBC DG to New Labour activist), Don Briad (BBC to New Labour activist), Sarah Hunter (BBC to New Labour activist), Ben Bradshaw, (BBC to New Labour MP 1997), Chris Bryant (BBC to New Labour MP), Celia Barlow (BBC to New Labour MP), James Purnell (BBC to New Labour Gov. Minster), Ken Macintosh, (BBC to (Scotland) MSP).
NO COINCIDENCE:
1990 BBC Joy Johnson became Labour campaigns Media director.
1997 BBC Joy Johnson was also rehired by the BBC after the election.
1997 Nine Labour MP’s were previously employed by the BBC (page75)
LIBERAL MEDIA INFLUENCES:
2003 BBC Panorama TV programme critically claimed in an ’expose’ of ‘Sex and the Holy City’ (p145). Without declaring that the programme makers were (1) linked to pro-abortionist TVE organisation (2) Programme producer Chris Woods (was one of three founder members of gay activist group ‘Outrage’*) (3) The programme was found to be biased** and also fraudulent ‘claims’ when they referred to a chosen ‘expert’ professor who later complained (to the BBC) that his own comments and conclusion had been ‘edited-out’ by the BBC). The BBC never apologised, nor corrected any of the allegations or responded to complaints about the programme. (see pages 145, 147 and 148).
* Not to be confused with an identical organisation set up by Labour called Stonewall as a lobby group (and paid for by the taxpayer again under Labour under various guises). Full uncritical support of the BBC.
WRONG VIEWS:
2004 Jana Bennett sacked Robert Kilroy Silk (for impartiality) i.e. right wing views expressed in the press on immigration.
RIGHT VIEWS:
2004 John Humphries (Radio 4 Today programme openly attacks Christians on contraception preventing HIV in Africa and third world.
2004 Nigel Wrench (Guardian journalist and BBC presenter for Radio 4 Today) programme went on to describe on-air his ‘gay’ encounter (2000) to support the BBC Radio 4 Today presenter John Humphries assertion that The Pope was ‘a right wing extremist’ *
NO COINCIDENCE:
1990 BBC Joy Johnson became Labour campaigns Media director.
1997 BBC Joy Johnson was also rehired by the BBC after the election.
1997 Nine Labour MP’s were previously employed by the BBC (page75)
LIBERAL MEDIA INFLUENCES:
2003 BBC Panorama TV programme critically claimed in an ’expose’ of ‘Sex and the Holy City’ (p145). Without declaring that the programme makers were (1) linked to pro-abortionist TVE organisation (2) Programme producer Chris Woods (was one of three founder members of gay activist group ‘Outrage’*) (3) The programme was found to be biased** and also fraudulent ‘claims’ when they referred to a chosen ‘expert’ professor who later complained (to the BBC) that his own comments and conclusion had been ‘edited-out’ by the BBC). The BBC never apologised, nor corrected any of the allegations or responded to complaints about the programme. (see pages 145, 147 and 148).
* Not to be confused with an identical organisation set up by Labour called Stonewall as a lobby group (and paid for by the taxpayer again under Labour under various guises). Full uncritical support of the BBC.
WRONG VIEWS:
2004 Jana Bennett sacked Robert Kilroy Silk (for impartiality) i.e. right wing views expressed in the press on immigration.
RIGHT VIEWS:
2004 John Humphries (Radio 4 Today programme openly attacks Christians on contraception preventing HIV in Africa and third world.
2004 Nigel Wrench (Guardian journalist and BBC presenter for Radio 4 Today) programme went on to describe on-air his ‘gay’ encounter (2000) to support the BBC Radio 4 Today presenter John Humphries assertion that The Pope was ‘a right wing extremist’ *
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
- *BBC Panorama (2003) indictment of bias:
Long term Ex BBC journalist Robin Aitkins in his book (page 63) states that the UN reported a ‘failure in practice’ and the international Doctors teams who (initially) supported the UN Condoms policy admitted were conclusively wrong). UN facts now proved that the Pope’s stance (Jean Paul II) was perfectly correct and what did actually happen was as not as predicted by the BBC. However the BBC never apologised and continued with their public ‘extremist’ allegations in international news channels both on Radio and TV. This was monitored by an independent public Media news agency which was asked to monitor instances * which characterised the BBC in Chapter 7 (p116) as a damning indictment of bias.
Note: When UK Charity regulations were changed in 2008 to reinforce Labour policy. Gordon Brown chose Andrew Hind (former chief operating officer of the BBC World Service) to head the commission.
Ever since Birt was installed in 1987 many of the BBC Director Generals have links to either Labour or the BBC (including the latest candidate Tony Hall (made Director General in 2012) Hall had been previously employed by the BBC in some managerial capacity. The point here is the frequent movement of managerial staff in and out of Labour administrations (since) has not been reflected in Tory membership on balance. This is because the BBC sees (without bias) Tories as ‘the enemy‘.***
*** This is according to Robin Aitkin a former BBC journalist for 15 years. (this page is attributable to Robin Aitkin’s book ‘CAN WE TRUST THE BBC’ (published in 2007) before the Jimmy Saville pedophile crisis and the recent (2013) BBC salary pay offs were exposed as BBC executive ‘loyalty awards’ for retiring BBC top management costing up to half a million pounds. The BBC was asked to justify the expenditure at a cross party public accounts select committee which decided that the BBC was largely unaccountable for a public body. Current BBC trustee Chris Patten and former BBC Director General Mark Thompson publicly argued about who should take responsibility for the financial ’retirement awards’ (kept secret from public accounts committee until exposed by the press. (Sept 2013).
When the last BBC charter was last updated in 2006 (under Labour with the another recession) it was awarded 3 billion pounds (per year) to ’expand’ Media operations. (30bn pounds is an extraordinary amount of ‘guaranteed’ money for any organisation to receive ‘tax-free’). The next BBC financial review will be in 2016.
The BBC itself does not recognise BBC employees as ‘biased’ so any employees who are aware of a ‘corporation’ bias have explicitly asked NOT to be named in this critical book (employees are numbered for reference only). Other such as Jeremy Paxman, John Simpson, Jeremy Clarkson are able to speak their minds whilst many cannot for ‘fear of losing their jobs’. However they are in a minority and few go on to join any public positions on leaving the BBC (as freely as Labour offer positions reserved for ex BBC directors or senior managers). (P171)
The BBC charter mindset before BIRT:
Back in the 1930’s the BBC upheld (1) British institutions of Monarchy, (2) Constitution, (3) Empire, (4) Christianity and the League of Nations. According to an American writer of that time (sixty years ago). (p187)
Since 1987 we have had a BBC doctrine with a very different bias:
(1) Anti-Racist (2) Pro-Abortion (3) Pro Women and ‘Gay rights’ (4) Pro UN (5) Pro EU (6) Pro Union and Anti Big Business (7) Pro high taxation (8) Pro government spending (9) Anti-private education (10) Anti-private health-care (11) Pro local democracy and local government (11) Pro multi-cultural and ethnic in general (13) Pro foreigner and foreign (left wing) governments (14) Anti American (15) Anti Monarchy (16) Anti prison etc.
Concerns:
The BBC is a virtual monopoly (Radio 44% and TV 94% in 2007)* news coverage of current affairs news in the UK and in Radio particularly has an even wider international following in America and African states as the voice of British authority and reliance. Supposably unbiased is in direct contradiction to it’s license with the public. (p15).
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Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Also appalled to see that the unions who support Corbyn were supporting a preacher at the Queen Elizabeth centre in London who is giving a speech and has in the past said how Jews are like fleas and has called for Jihad and also said that womens place is in the kitchen.
What a lovely chap to associate yourself with.
What a lovely chap to associate yourself with.
It's nothing to do with what I believe, and forgive me if I don't consider a study reported on by The Telegraph to be neutral when it comes to reporting on the "left wing bias" of the BBC. I will repeat it, the editor of the Daily/Sunday Politics, one of the main sources of political news in this country (because things said on there make the papers and beyond) was a guy who now works for Theresa May and whose main presenter, Andrew Neil, used to work for the Tory Party and was chairman of the Federation of Conservative Students when he was at university. These are not beliefs, these are facts.
Marr was a socialist when he was younger, so that's one in the left wing column, but Nick Robinson, his successor as political editor at the BBC, was president of the Oxford University Conservative Association. Again, nothing to do with "belief" this is just the truth.
I wouldn't confuse bias against UKIP as left wing bias -- they don't say things against UKIP or Brexit because these things are right wing, but because they go against the consensus of the establishment. This explains their repeated smears against Corbyn too, anybody outside the club gets pelted. Infact, Laura Kuenssberg was found to have broken the BBC's own rules on 'impartiality and accuracy' when reporting on Corbyn.
If something/someone goes against the Neo-Liberal consensus (some people might start crying now that I have used the word Neo-Liberal) or the Royal Family, then the BBC are against it.