Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[LutonSpurs]

Lockdown could never have been avoided due to the incompetence of our leaders, and inadequate structure of our systems.

However we should have been able to avoid it and stop the harm it caused while keeping risks of spread low.

 

[scaramanga]

And yet the Labour Party members have turned him down as a leader twice.

He's so bad even Labour can see how economically illiterate he is.

 

[Grays_1890]

He's so bad even Labour can see how economically illiterate he is.

Yet has done an absolutely world class job of transforming Manchester fostering economic growth in the city AND has major support from the people he represents because he fights hard for them. They hate him because he fights against them for the better of his city and has been anti Westminster whilst doing it.

I would back a politician on those principals over the vast majority who are out there. Its what all politicians should be striving the be, serving those that vote you in, the issue now is too many are more interested in social media posturing

 

[scaramanga]

Yet has done an absolutely world class job of transforming Manchester fostering economic growth in the city AND has major support from the people he represents because he fights hard for them. They hate him because he fights against them for the better of his city and has been anti Westminster whilst doing it.

I would back a politician on those principals over the vast majority who are out there. Its what all politicians should be striving the be, serving those that vote you in, the issue now is too many are more interested in social media posturing

Yep, he's very good at spending everyone else's money. The problem with socialism, is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Lockdown could never have been avoided due to the incompetence of our leaders, and inadequate structure of our systems.

However we should have been able to avoid it and stop the harm it caused while keeping risks of spread low.

If another (hopefully not) pandemic happens in our lifetime then the government need to find a way to protect the most vulnerable so the rest of the population can continue as close to business as usual as possible.

 

[Grays_1890]

Yep, he's very good at spending everyone else's money. The problem with socialism, is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend.

Except Manchester's economy out paces the UK now and he has set the city up to avail of the future of the vertical sectors. The guy literally turned the city into a world class city across multiple disciplines.

He also works hard on youth and social movement and has managed great success in those areas, so the good part of socialism where they are yielding results.

And the proof in the eating is that those he represents love him and industry loves him, thats telling

As I say, give me that guy over the others every day of the week

 

[scaramanga]

Except Manchester's economy out paces the UK now and he has set the city up to avail of the future of the vertical sectors. The guy literally turned the city into a world class city across multiple disciplines.

He also works hard on youth and social movement and has managed great success in those areas, so the good part of socialism where they are yielding results.

And the proof in the eating is that those he represents love him and industry loves him, thats telling

As I say, give me that guy over the others every day of the week

Manchester isn't a separate economy, it could never survive without that handouts from the South. You may wish to parrot spurious claims and propaganda from the mayor but the data say otherwise:

 

[Grays_1890]

Manchester isn't a separate economy, it could never survive without that handouts from the South. You may wish to parrot spurious claims and propaganda from the mayor but the data say otherwise:
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Of which that shows that large cities have areas of depravation where as the lowest are areas like Epsom and Ewell, I think most are able to understand why that might be

By nearly every metric Burnham has improved Manchester and its now:

- World class broadcasting and entertainments centre
- World class arts hub
- World class Meetings & events centre including a hub for creative agencies
- Inward investment from major industry
- Major international Hospitality investment into the city
- Integrated and improvement of transport systems seeing their use rise massively

No one is claiming he could do it without money from elsewhere, but he has fought for that money and made vast improvements to the city, its nearly unrecognisable to that before he took over and as someone who has 20+ clients in the city and being up there as much as I am, I can tell you the barometer from businesses there are HUGELY favourable of his impact. If he delivers on the promises of the growth fund, his legacy will be set for a long time in the city

That's not propaganda, that's having skin in the game with it and listening to what people say locally about the guy.

As I say, I take that every day of the week over a Bojo, Truss, Kemi, Farage and Starmer every day of the week

 

[Gutter Boy]

Burnham would be a great PM, at the very least he would have the others on toast verbally and PR wise

The thing that worries me is that his political judgement (i.e. playing politics, not governing or public communication) seems a bit off. Like he actively engineered Corbyn getting onto the leadership ballot, who then beat him. And his stuff with Starmer is already going the way of Heseltine's Law (the assassin never carries the crown).

 

[Gutter Boy]

Yet has done an absolutely world class job of transforming Manchester fostering economic growth in the city AND has major support from the people he represents because he fights hard for them. They hate him because he fights against them for the better of his city and has been anti Westminster whilst doing it.

I would back a politician on those principals over the vast majority who are out there. Its what all politicians should be striving the be, serving those that vote you in, the issue now is too many are more interested in social media posturing

The 'King of the North' narrative could be very powerful. He's very different to the Eton/London-centric lot we've had for decades.

 

[Grays_1890]

The thing that worries me is that his political judgement (i.e. playing politics, not governing or public communication) seems a bit off. Like he actively engineered Corbyn getting onto the leadership ballot, who then beat him. And his stuff with Starmer is already going the way of Heseltine's Law (the assassin never carries the crown).

Yeh I don't think the guy is perfect, 100%, but who is in the game of politics, as much as The Thick of It is satirical, I think it plays true to the movements within the political world.

But I think as a PM his compass is absolutely right on what would need to be fought for to make the country a better place and if he served the country like he does those in Manchester we would be a much better place for it.

His ability to have kept a HUGELY positive rating amongst people despite Labours fluctuating says alot TBH

And I am not saying he would be the only choice or even the best, but he would be a bloody good one IMO.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Yeh I don't think the guy is perfect, 100%, but who is in the game of politics, as much as The Thick of It is satirical, I think it plays true to the movements within the political world.

But I think as a PM his compass is absolutely right on what would need to be fought for to make the country a better place and if he served the country like he does those in Manchester we would be a much better place for it.

And I am not saying he would be the only choice or even the best, but he would be a bloody good one IMO.

As long as he doesn't make the rest of the country as ugly as Manchester. Architecturally it's become by far the worst place in the UK.

 

[Grays_1890]

As long as he doesn't make the rest of the country as ugly as Manchester. Architecturally it's become by far the worst place in the UK.

Hahaha, I like, it, love the city and spending time there, the people are decent too

 

[Finney Is Back]

Of which that shows that large cities have areas of depravation where as the lowest are areas like Epsom and Ewell, I think most are able to understand why that might be

By nearly every metric Burnham has improved Manchester and its now:

- World class broadcasting and entertainments centre
- World class arts hub
- World class Meetings & events centre including a hub for creative agencies
- Inward investment from major industry
- Major international Hospitality investment into the city
- Integrated and improvement of transport systems seeing their use rise massively

No one is claiming he could do it without money from elsewhere, but he has fought for that money and made vast improvements to the city, its nearly unrecognisable to that before he took over and as someone who has 20+ clients in the city and being up there as much as I am, I can tell you the barometer from businesses there are HUGELY favourable of his impact. If he delivers on the promises of the growth fund, his legacy will be set for a long time in the city

That's not propaganda, that's having skin in the game with it and listening to what people say locally about the guy.

As I say, I take that every day of the week over a Bojo, Truss, Kemi, Farage and Starmer every day of the week

The broadcasting and entertainments centre is only due to the BBC. If (when?) the BBC die I suspect Salford City dies with it.

I actually think that Burnham is a great Mayor. I don't think he would make a good PM however (he has already spoken about not agreeing with fiscal responsibility).

 

[Grays_1890]

The broadcasting and entertainments centre is only due to the BBC. If (when?) the BBC die I suspect Salford City dies with it.

I actually think that Burnham is a great Mayor. I don't think he would make a good PM however (he has already spoken about not agreeing with fiscal responsibility).

ITV are also a major factor there also, there will always be call for regional studios and programme development, so having that there and the creatives in the agencies in the city will always play to their advantage.

By most metrics he has been a great Mayor and a great politician without actually being a PM.

I don't think his HUGE popularity amongst his voters, which is, for me at least, the major mark of anyone in politics, it can't be overlooked. I read the other day he is by nearly every poll the most popular political figure in the UK, by some distance. If that popularity is not built upon and used to an advantage, then there is no hope in politics in this country.

Serves people, has improved those peoples lives and prospect, people he serves are happy. That should be the backbone of politics, its a shame that its now become a pure battlefield on ideals and ideologies

 

[thfcsteff]

Ah Ok. I did wonder if it was that bit in particular. I'll give you my reason for using the term that I did....

I consider illiberal places to be backward. Anywhere that doesn't give equal rights to those based on sex, sexuality or religion (or lack of) are illiberal in my opinion (and that is before you realise that many of the places that do not give equal rights also have all sorts of other flagrant abuses of human rights). So that is backward and illiberal covered. The brickhole bit - well I consider anywhere without equal rights to be a brickhole. That includes places like the UAE that some people think are great places to be/live. I consider them to be brickholes and I have practiced what I preach here as I have turned down extremely lucrative job offers and extremely enticing (from a tax perspective) offers to relocate myself and/or my businesses to that location.

Sorry for late reply, still out on the road...I appreciate the time taken to offer your reasons for said-phraseology.

 

[Grays_1890]

Ah Ok. I did wonder if it was that bit in particular. I'll give you my reason for using the term that I did....

I consider illiberal places to be backward. Anywhere that doesn't give equal rights to those based on sex, sexuality or religion (or lack of) are illiberal in my opinion (and that is before you realise that many of the places that do not give equal rights also have all sorts of other flagrant abuses of human rights). So that is backward and illiberal covered. The brickhole bit - well I consider anywhere without equal rights to be a brickhole. That includes places like the UAE that some people think are great places to be/live. I consider them to be brickholes and I have practiced what I preach here as I have turned down extremely lucrative job offers and extremely enticing (from a tax perspective) offers to relocate myself and/or my businesses to that location.

What do you do for business out of interest? Your dad is/was a football agent/intermediary right?

 

[Grays_1890]

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[Finney Is Back]

What do you do for business out of interest? Your dad is/was a football agent/intermediary right?

To say he was an "agent" is perhaps overstating things as most view agents on here. He worked in a factory, but put himself through legal school to qualify as a lawyer and then represented a bunch of young footballers who didn't have a dad on the scene or anyone scrupulous looking after their interests. He never took a penny from the players for those services he provided. He also found it eye opening how the clubs would take advantage of young players without decent representation and completely screw them over on deals.

I run investment funds (private equity).

 

[Grays_1890]

To say he was an "agent" is perhaps overstating things as most view agents on here. He worked in a factory, but put himself through legal school to qualify as a lawyer and then represented a bunch of young footballers who didn't have a dad on the scene or anyone scrupulous looking after their interests. He never took a penny from the players for those services he provided. He also found it eye opening how the clubs would take advantage of young players without decent representation and completely screw them over on deals.

I run investment funds (private equity).

AHhh cool, seem to remember you saying that now.