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DTA said:
Don’t Psychopaths rationalise their behaviours where as Sociopaths just don’t care?

And if you just don’t care doesn’t that more mean that you are devoid of empathy, rather than someone who tries to justify their behaviour through constructed rationalisation?
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The primary difference is in control of one's actions. Sociopaths have almost no control over what they do, whereas psychopaths do. Scara is neither (just closer to the later). Just a garden variety narcissist IMO.
 
Lilbaz said:
Difference being science says we don't know and tries to understand. Religion says i do know and tries to quell any disagreement.
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Pretty much my feelings in a nutshell too. Scientists are humble and admit they don’t know the answer to everything but are at least working on the problem. I don’t completely disbelieve the idea of a GHod or a higher power but given the evidence presented to us, I haven’t found a compelling argument yet for it to be true. Science and religion just seem incompatible to me. I understand why our ancestors needed to find an explanation for why the crops died and where the sun went at night but that was thousands of years ago. Civilisation has moved on and IMO you don’t need religion in order to be a good person.
 
DTA said:
better at being cruel bruv, better about being selfish.

not sure that’s a world that you want to live in. Because even if you are the sociopath that you make yourself out to be (I know you are not at all) there would be a bigger and cleverer Sociopath that you may run into
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I'm not advocating people be sociopaths - my understanding is that they cannot feel empathy. My situation is better - I can just choose not to.

A lack of empathy is not the cause of cruelty, a desire for cruelty is.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Pretty much my feelings in a nutshell too. Scientists are humble and admit they don’t know the answer to everything but are at least working on the problem. I don’t completely disbelieve the idea of a GHod or a higher power but given the evidence presented to us, I haven’t found a compelling argument yet for it to be true. Science and religion just seem incompatible to me. I understand why our ancestors needed to find an explanation for why the crops died and where the sun went at night but that was thousands of years ago. Civilisation has moved on and IMO you don’t need religion in order to be a good person.
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I wouldn't say it's humble. If someone found out say the theory of relativity had a flaw. There might be arguments and disbelief but once it was confirmed, it would be something new and exciting. It would increase our understanding of the universe. Which is the whole point. Einstein would still be remembered as one of the greatest scientists of all time, just our understanding would have moved on. Just as happened with newton before him.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Pretty much my feelings in a nutshell too. Scientists are humble and admit they don’t know the answer to everything but are at least working on the problem. I don’t completely disbelieve the idea of a GHod or a higher power but given the evidence presented to us, I haven’t found a compelling argument yet for it to be true. Science and religion just seem incompatible to me. I understand why our ancestors needed to find an explanation for why the crops died and where the sun went at night but that was thousands of years ago. Civilisation has moved on and IMO you don’t need religion in order to be a good person.
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100% agree you don’t need religion or even faith/spirituality to be a good person.

but the more interesting question is how did religion and faith/spiritually influence our notion of what is good?

And that’s not an easy question to answer.
 
scaramanga said:
I'm not advocating people be sociopaths - my understanding is that they cannot feel empathy. My situation is better - I can just choose not to.

A lack of empathy is not the cause of cruelty, a desire for cruelty is.
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that’s interesting (genuinely) where do you think that comes from?

Some people are just wired wrong?

do you think there is a distinction between good and evil? I’m not even talking in the religious sense?

do you think it is something inherently within us or most of us?
 
DTA said:
do you think there is a distinction between good and evil? I’m not even talking in the religious sense?

do you think it is something inherently within us or most of us?
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That's a Great question, I think people are products of their own environment which might hit mental trigger points. You look at many criminals or evil people though history and you can almost plot their timeline from things such as their mums being alcholics a when pregnant to child abuse to social issues and so on and so on. And what is as unique as everyone's DNA and mind are peoples life experiences.
 
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DTA said:
100% agree you don’t need religion or even faith/spirituality to be a good person.

but the more interesting question is how did religion and faith/spiritually influence our notion of what is good?

And that’s not an easy question to answer.
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The historian Tom Holland recently wrote a book called Dominion about the historical influences on the Western mind/culture; I plan to read it next year
 
I really don't understand the guardians political stance any more. They've illogically become the voice of neo-liberalism in response to the country shifting left economically
 
Grays_1890 said:
That's a Greta question, I think people are products of their own environment which might hit mental trigger points. You look at many criminals or evil people though history and you can almost plot their timeline from things such as their mums being alcholics a when pregnant to child abuse to social issues and so on and so on. And what is as unique as everyone's DNA and mind are peoples life experiences.
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I can not stand the little Swedish witch girl.
 
Gutter Boy said:
I really don't understand the guardians political stance any more. They've illogically become the voice of neo-liberalism in response to the country shifting left economically
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Which is what Labour has to do. While also calling out the Torys as being fake socialists.
 
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SpurMeUp said:
Which is what Labour has to do. While also calling out the Torys as being fake socialists.
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Labour has to stand for the interests of the global elite and big business, against the interests of working people and communities?

If they are being outflanked on the left by the Tories, moving to the right isn't a very clever thing to do. They'd be better pushing even further left on popular issues such as renationalisation and curbing the power of multinationals.
 
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