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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
We always get the government we deserve.
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5 years ago no one thought Boris could be PM, let alone run for election. He was seen as a joke. Someone who was worth a giggle on Have I Got News for You. Corbyn likewise is a bit of a red herring. Excuse the pun. Labour people thought he'd be around for a short time while the Labour scratched a left-leaning itch post Blair etc and then they'd get an electable trusted leader again. Swinson is meek.

Truth is, with Brexit and no one wanting to be saddled with delivering impossible promises, talented smart people are not putting themselves forward. There is a genuine dearth of quality people in politics. They are not paid particularly well. There is more animosity than ever. MPs being threatened etc. And I don't think politics even attracts the best and the brightest. ....which leaves us with this shower.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
Ha, ha, ha. Deluded or just a propagandist. I'd say the latter. Labour don't need to resort to these types of stunts to make the 'Tories look bad.' All they have to do is point out real life scenarios. What a joke.
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Ah well at least they will get the moral victory on Thursday then
 
So, as it emerges today that 88% of Tory paid for ads are lies Vs 0% of Labours
And
The hideous extent of bots and Matt Hanrooster in spreading disinformation in the aftermath of the boy at the hospital
(To what extent the above is entirely accurate is unsure. Even if it's 100% true, there is enough anxiety around information to put it in doubt)..... something has struck me.
We might in for a Brexit vote scenario - where people vote to hide the truth rather than face the truth and the challenges it brings.
(For the record - I think that applies to both leave & remain - not a jibe at leavers.)

Have we reached a point of no return?
It certainly feels an overhaul of politics and media regulation is essential.
 
Got sent this last night.

I'm not naive enough to take it as gospel, and I've not fact checked it, but it's all stuff I've heard previously collected in one place.

And if even half is true, how can anyone vote for him?

Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism
 
monkeybarry said:
So, as it emerges today that 88% of Tory paid for ads are lies Vs 0% of Labours
And
The hideous extent of bots and Matt Hanrooster in spreading disinformation in the aftermath of the boy at the hospital
(To what extent the above is entirely accurate is unsure. Even if it's 400% true, there is enough anxiety around information to put it in doubt)..... something has struck me.
We might in for a Brexit vote scenario - where people vote to hide the truth rather than face the truth and the challenges it brings.
(For the record - I think that applies to both leave & remain - not a jibe at leavers.)

Have we reached a point of no return?
It certainly feels an overhaul of politics and media regulation is essential.
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Truth went out the window 5 stops ago. Brexit was a watershed. People still don't really understand what it is they voted for "just get us out". Out of what? A free trade area, that will damage the economy, and not impact on immigration. "just get us out".

Brexit has been used by Boris to gain power. Without it he'd be doing Have I Got News For You still and writing sneery columns for the Torygraph. I am actually looking forward to him 'delivering' that should be just like putting a ready meal in the oven (doesn't he have a microwave maybe he's using Jacob Reese Mogs kitchen?). Speaking of which, looks like they decided JRM was a turn off to average voters so he's been snoozing somewhere.
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
Got sent this last night.

I'm not naive enough to take it as gospel, and I've not fact checked it, but it's all stuff I've heard previously collected in one place.

And if even half is true, how can anyone vote for him?

Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Ham Salad, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism
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From a quick scan of that I'd say the vast majority is true.

There was a really good article in the Telegraph the other day pointing out how thoroughly ashamed we should all be as a nation that someone with such a clear (if not intentional) anti-semitic position can be even involved in our politics, let alone pushing to be leader of the country. Look at Corbyn's history on it and replace Jewish with black - he'd be hounded out by now. But as a nation, we simply don't give much of a fudge about anti-semitism.
 
scaramanga said:
From a quick scan of that I'd say the vast majority is true.

There was a really good article in the Telegraph the other day pointing out how thoroughly ashamed we should all be as a nation that someone with such a clear (if not intentional) anti-semitic position can be even involved in our politics, let alone pushing to be leader of the country. Look at Corbyn's history on it and replace Jewish with black - he'd be hounded out by now. But as a nation, we simply don't give much of a fudge about anti-semitism.
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What if someone is Pro-Palestinian? By your reasoning that makes them anti-Semitic? Bit like if you support a red team in N. London you are automatically 'anti-spurs'?
 
SpurMeUp said:
What if someone is Pro-Palestinian? By your reasoning that makes them anti-Semitic? Bit like if you support a red team in N. London you are automatically 'anti-spurs'?
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Pro Hamas is not the same as pro Palestine.

Hamas are a terrorist organisation with a stated aim of the destruction of Israel (I believe the word they used is "obliterate" but I can't be certain).
 
scaramanga said:
WTO are basically saying they'll sit tight until Trump gets put in prison/voted out/murdered by Putin.
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Killed by cheese burgers might be the most likely. I've seen a few clips this morning of his ranting from yesterday's klan rally. He is badly slurring and is having severe difficulty pronouncing other relatively simple words. Dementia has a hold of him for sure but there is more to it. Diagnosing from a distance, some experts are thinking we are looking at micro strokes. Impeachment might just be enough to do him in.
 
SpurMeUp said:
What if someone is Pro-Palestinian? By your reasoning that makes them anti-Semitic? Bit like if you support a red team in N. London you are automatically 'anti-spurs'?
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It's so transparent what the right wing nut job element are doing. There were crickets when Tories were accused of it. It's just a big stick to beat Corbyn with. They don't give a stuff about anti antisemitism, what they are scared of is socialism.
 
Rorschach said:
Killed by cheese burgers might be the most likely. I've seen a few clips this morning of his ranting from yesterday's klan rally. He is badly slurring and is having severe difficulty pronouncing other relatively simple words. Dementia has a hold of him for sure but there is more to it. Diagnosing from a distance, some experts are thinking we are looking at micro strokes. Impeachment might just be enough to do him in.
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Would be fitting for him to die doing an Elvis.
 
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