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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Rob Newman does a good Tony Blair as Goebbels skit. "But he can't be a war criminal, he listens to Oasis"
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
There's better ways of doing it. You don't need to start post-capitalism by playing the capitalist games. If you're going to break the system, break the system.
- Take over all pension fund assets for starters (as UBI will replace pensions too).
- Cancel all childcare and social care funding too (as UBI means those roles can be taken up within families again)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...n-REFUSE-Prince-Andrew-leadership-debate.html
fudging tool. When you're accused of what he is, you really need to be more careful. Although I love Jezbollah as a nickname.
fudging tool. When you're accused of what he is, you really need to be more careful. Although I love Jezbollah as a nickname.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Says more about our media than anything else. The Albino Clown can utter any old drivel and it disappears without a trace, but Corbyn pronounces a name in a particular way and it definitely makes him an anti Semite. What a load of crap.
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StephenH
David Ginola
A great example of the politics of the day.
We need to stop the Conservative party because of type of thing.
Twitter accuses Conservatives of 'misleading' voters by posing as fact-checking account during an election debate.
more here https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technol...-conservatives-misleading-voters-posing-fact/
Very Trump/Bannon or Boris/Cummings IMHO
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Stopping Brexit will free up £50bn to spend on public services and reducing inequality, Jo Swinson will say as she unveils the Liberal Democrat manifesto.
The boost to economic growth which it says the UK will get from staying in the EU is at the heart of its plan to build a "brighter future for people".
The so-called "Remain bonus" would pay for 20,000 new teachers, extra cash for schools and support for the low-paid.
Other proposals include a "frequent flyer" tax and 80% renewables target.
Its largest single spending commitment is a major expansion of free childcare and support for early years education, to be paid for by an increase in corporation tax and changes to capital gains allowances on the sale of assets.
There are also eye-catching pledges to freeze the cost of many rail fares for five years and to legalise and tax cannabis sales to over-18s.
The Lib Dems are hoping to significantly boost their presence in Parliament on the back of their opposition to Brexit, as they target pro-Remain seats in the south of England and London held by the Conservatives and Labour.
Speaking during a visit to a school in Cambridge, she acknowledged recent opinion polls suggesting the party was being "squeezed" but insisted "real votes" were what mattered and she remained confident.
Ms Swinson has said she is a candidate to be prime minister and if the Lib Dems - which had 20 MPs at the end of the last Parliament - win a majority they will cancel Brexit entirely by revoking the Article 50 process for leaving the EU.
The party says the UK will reap a massive economic dividend from staying in the EU, claiming the economy will be 1.9% larger by 2024-5 than it would otherwise be if the UK leaves on the basis of Boris Johnson's withdrawal agreement.
Maintaining the UK's membership would boost economic growth and generate £50bn in total additional tax receipts over the next five years.
The forecast, which the party says is conservative, takes into account savings from the UK not paying the £39bn "divorce bill" and also the cost of continued UK budget payments to the EU.
Education will be the main beneficiary, with £10.5bn earmarked for teacher recruitment and increased money for schools in England. Per-pupil funding will be returned to 2015 levels, the last year the Lib Dems were in government with the Conservatives.
The "Remain bonus" will also be used to fund changes to benefits designed to tackle in-work poverty. Cuts to work allowances for families on Universal Credit will be reversed while there will be additional support for families with two earners.
Ms Swinson said any form of Brexit would damage the UK's economic prospects and "starve" the public services of investment.
"Labour and the Conservatives can't offer the country a brighter future because they both want Brexit. We know that will be bad for our economy, bad for our NHS and bad for our environment.
"Liberal Democrats will stop Brexit and invest in our mental health services, give free childcare to working parents, put 20,000 more teachers into classrooms and take ambitious action to tackle the climate emergency."
What is in the Lib Dem manifesto?
They are proposing to raise income tax rates by 1% to pay for an extra £7bn a year for NHS and social care services.
Air Passenger Duty will be reformed, with those taking frequent international flights likely to have to pay more. The proceeds will be used to boost green transport, including slashing VAT rates on electric cars to 5%.
There will also be a levy on the sale of cannabis to over-18s, with the money raised going to fund community policing and youth services. The Lib Dems have long called for the legalisation and taxation of cannabis, a move opposed by the Conservatives and Labour.
In 96 pages of promises, one topic dominates: Brexit.
"Stop Brexit: build a brighter future" reads the manifesto's front cover.
A few pages in, there is a full page picture of Jo Swinson, as she seeks to contrast herself with what she calls "the two tired old parties" - the Conservatives and Labour -"reusing ideas from the past, whether the 1870s or the 1970s".
The Lib Dems argue they would have extra tax revenue to spend because forecasts suggest remaining in the EU would lead to higher economic growth. They would spend some of that on an extra 20,000 teachers.
The party says at least 80% of our electricity should be generated from renewables by 2030 and wants to ensure overall national debt continues to decline as a share of national income; a promise that could prove crucial if the party holds the balance of power in the next parliament.
The boost to economic growth which it says the UK will get from staying in the EU is at the heart of its plan to build a "brighter future for people".
The so-called "Remain bonus" would pay for 20,000 new teachers, extra cash for schools and support for the low-paid.
Other proposals include a "frequent flyer" tax and 80% renewables target.
Its largest single spending commitment is a major expansion of free childcare and support for early years education, to be paid for by an increase in corporation tax and changes to capital gains allowances on the sale of assets.
There are also eye-catching pledges to freeze the cost of many rail fares for five years and to legalise and tax cannabis sales to over-18s.
The Lib Dems are hoping to significantly boost their presence in Parliament on the back of their opposition to Brexit, as they target pro-Remain seats in the south of England and London held by the Conservatives and Labour.
Speaking during a visit to a school in Cambridge, she acknowledged recent opinion polls suggesting the party was being "squeezed" but insisted "real votes" were what mattered and she remained confident.
Ms Swinson has said she is a candidate to be prime minister and if the Lib Dems - which had 20 MPs at the end of the last Parliament - win a majority they will cancel Brexit entirely by revoking the Article 50 process for leaving the EU.
The party says the UK will reap a massive economic dividend from staying in the EU, claiming the economy will be 1.9% larger by 2024-5 than it would otherwise be if the UK leaves on the basis of Boris Johnson's withdrawal agreement.
Maintaining the UK's membership would boost economic growth and generate £50bn in total additional tax receipts over the next five years.
The forecast, which the party says is conservative, takes into account savings from the UK not paying the £39bn "divorce bill" and also the cost of continued UK budget payments to the EU.
Education will be the main beneficiary, with £10.5bn earmarked for teacher recruitment and increased money for schools in England. Per-pupil funding will be returned to 2015 levels, the last year the Lib Dems were in government with the Conservatives.
The "Remain bonus" will also be used to fund changes to benefits designed to tackle in-work poverty. Cuts to work allowances for families on Universal Credit will be reversed while there will be additional support for families with two earners.
Ms Swinson said any form of Brexit would damage the UK's economic prospects and "starve" the public services of investment.
"Labour and the Conservatives can't offer the country a brighter future because they both want Brexit. We know that will be bad for our economy, bad for our NHS and bad for our environment.
"Liberal Democrats will stop Brexit and invest in our mental health services, give free childcare to working parents, put 20,000 more teachers into classrooms and take ambitious action to tackle the climate emergency."
What is in the Lib Dem manifesto?
- Rail fares for commuters and season ticket holders to be frozen for the next five years
- All trains to be electric or hydrogen-powered by 2035
- A new target for 80% of UK energy to come from renewable sources by 2030
- A £10,000 grant for every adult in England to put towards education and training over 30 years
- 35 hours of free childcare for children aged two to four, or from nine months for working parents
- Replacing business rates for companies with a levy based on land value
- A higher minimum wage at "times of normal demand" for those on zero-hours contracts
- £11bn for mental health services over five years, including on 24-hour support
- A new tax on gambling companies to fund the treatment of problem gambling
They are proposing to raise income tax rates by 1% to pay for an extra £7bn a year for NHS and social care services.
Air Passenger Duty will be reformed, with those taking frequent international flights likely to have to pay more. The proceeds will be used to boost green transport, including slashing VAT rates on electric cars to 5%.
There will also be a levy on the sale of cannabis to over-18s, with the money raised going to fund community policing and youth services. The Lib Dems have long called for the legalisation and taxation of cannabis, a move opposed by the Conservatives and Labour.
In 96 pages of promises, one topic dominates: Brexit.
"Stop Brexit: build a brighter future" reads the manifesto's front cover.
A few pages in, there is a full page picture of Jo Swinson, as she seeks to contrast herself with what she calls "the two tired old parties" - the Conservatives and Labour -"reusing ideas from the past, whether the 1870s or the 1970s".
The Lib Dems argue they would have extra tax revenue to spend because forecasts suggest remaining in the EU would lead to higher economic growth. They would spend some of that on an extra 20,000 teachers.
The party says at least 80% of our electricity should be generated from renewables by 2030 and wants to ensure overall national debt continues to decline as a share of national income; a promise that could prove crucial if the party holds the balance of power in the next parliament.
If anyone's ever in doubt about BBC bias - just look at their breakdown of Stalin's Corbyn's manifesto. Not a single mention of the fact that he plans to increase taxation on those earning £80K+ (or what we in the South East call a living wage).
They did the same when they did one of their little explainers on all the party policies the other day too. Gave detail on where they all stood on everything but taxation.
They did the same when they did one of their little explainers on all the party policies the other day too. Gave detail on where they all stood on everything but taxation.
If he had any policies that were less than 50 years out of date, he might stand a chance.Considering what a mendacious lying taco Boris is, this really is quite impressive from Corbyn
Oh that and stop hating on all the Jews.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Surely they have no chance of getting in do they
Around one in ten. Terrible odds at an election but that kind of bet comes in all the time unfortunately.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
I’ll start thinking of contingency as I can’t stay in the country if he gets in
Our Bermuda office for 5 years with the family is appealing
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
I'd have confidently answered 'no' prior to the 2017 election, but the votes he got then massively deflated my confidence in the voting public.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Watching the leaders question time so far having watched Swinson & Boris been hammered from all angles, there hasn’t been much support for them
wiziwig
Steed Malbranque
Open borders, even under the conditions that you've outlined in your second paragraph, inevitably leads to bigger government, higher taxes and larger national debt ...
Perhaps you could point me to examples where this hasn't been the case?
I think you're unlikely to find one as most governments that believe in open borders also believe in large government.
I'd say my view on economics as a fairly pure free market belief is reasonably rare as it's an impossible sell to an undereducated electorate. But I firmly believe that the movement of all commodities should be entirely free of government meddling and that includes people.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Borders are a relatively new concept actually. It won't be too long before they are gone again, permanently.
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