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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

SpurMeUp said:
I think he's like Corbyn in that he doesn't really have strong ideas himself, he just follows others. He's not really an inventive leader, but will be influenced by what other strong characters want.
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Corbyn has strong ideas? He's been pushing back against remain for past few years because of his desire to nationalise.

Some one is driving Boris, I have no doubt about that, but his overriding impulse is Boris.
 
Mikey10 said:
Early Tony Blair was very good; the only time I ever felt that government money was being spent in the right areas and things were genuinely moving forward when it came to social justice.

Just a shame that the messiah complex kicked in later.
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I think the whole period 1989-2001 (Berlin Wall to WTC) was a bit of a golden age. Most of the balmy Cool Brittania mid-90s that people remember was technically still under Mayor.
 
r-u-s-x said:
Corbyn has strong ideas? He's been pushing back against remain for past few years because of his desire to nationalise.

Some one is driving Boris, I have no doubt about that, but his overriding impulse is Boris.
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Absolutely. Corbyn is a Bennite ideologue. The only reason he is shifty is because he knows the consequences of actually declaring that his great desire is a socialist Brexit.
 
scaramanga said:
Sounds as if the cabinet has leaked already.

Javid to 11, Gove CDL (dep), Patel to Home Sec, Raab to foreign sec
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It still seems regressive that there has never been a female chancellor or foreign secretary - women always seem to get the 'homely' Home Office if they get one of the big 3 jobs beneath PM (Smith, May, Rudd).
 
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Gutter Boy said:
It still seems regressive that there has never been a female chancellor or foreign secretary - women always seems to get the 'homely' Home Office if they get one of the big 3 jobs beneath PM (Smith, May, Rudd).
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Doing things off the books and secretively supplying information to foreign governments don't really qualify her for either post.
It'll be interesting where Truss goes.
 
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monkeybarry said:
Doing things off the books and secretively supplying information to foreign governments don't really qualify her for either post.
It'll be interesting where Truss goes.
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Truss is a bit of a gnawing at the bone economic extremist though, isn't she?

I guess Mordaunt won't be in line for anything upward as she backed Hunt.
 
scaramanga said:
And the boom it all rode was set up by Thatcher.
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Her time were also for the most part a time for double digit interest rates, all set at that time by the treasury..

I recall business loans at a staggering 18% in the early 90s...Her corner shop upbringing helped to perpetuate the myth that she were for SME.
 
monkeybarry said:
I suspect she'll get business.
Hope she doesn't get justice again. But very unlikely
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I know a few people who work in social policy/criminal justice. They absolutely despair at the turnover of ministers they've had - this will be their 6th in 4 years.

I'd quite like Jo Johnson and Greening back at Universities and Education respectively. They were both doing really good jobs, but got moved by May for going a bit native and resisting the neo-liberal and hostile environment pushes from #10
 
In you go, Boris ...Now go prepare yourself for the coming civil unrest by the Remainers and the Lefty Antifa crowd....

Gawd, that new Liberal leader is one insufferable harpy!
 
monkeybarry said:
Doing things off the books and secretively supplying information to foreign governments don't really qualify her for either post.
It'll be interesting where Truss goes.
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After that, how she is allowed to have any job in government is just a small indication of how far we have fallen.
 
Mikey10 said:
Early Tony Blair was very good; the only time I ever felt that government money was being spent in the right areas and things were genuinely moving forward when it came to social justice.

Just a shame that the messiah complex kicked in later.
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Personally I think Blair creating the benefit culture we have today is the long term ill he left behind, and it's not something I'll forgive him for.

Add Iraq on top of that and I think he was a massive clam who can only be described as a failure.

Some nice social wins under him, I'll grant that, but even the whole "PC gone mad" flimflam we have today has its origins in his govt imo
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
Personally I think Blair creating the benefit culture we have today is the long term ill he left behind, and it's not something I'll forgive him for.

Add Iraq on top of that and I think he was a massive clam who can only be described as a failure.

Some nice social wins under him, I'll grant that, but even the whole "PC gone mad" flimflam we have today has its origins in his govt imo
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If there is a ‘benefit culture’ - and I’m not sure there is one - it was created, in my opinion, as a result of Thatcherism. It’s what happens when you shut down entire industries too quickly without any plan as to what the people employed in them (and educated only to be employed in them) will do when those industries don’t exist any longer.
 
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