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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Jurgen the German said:
He said he's blocked me and, frankly, that's fine. It's not worth engaging with people who aren't interested in having a genuine discussion. I've said for a while that I think he's trolling, and responses like that only reinforce that impression.

I'd much rather engage with people who are willing to consider different viewpoints, even if they ultimately disagree with me. That's how constructive debate works. If everyone simply dismisses opposing views, you end up with little more than groupthink.

I also think it's rather childish to block someone and label them a bigot when there's nothing inherently bigoted about what they've said. I've repeatedly argued that we need a sensible, robust debate about issues relating to transgender people. Too often, though, people like Baleforce seem more interested in Ad hominem attacks and shutting down the discussion and claiming the moral high ground than engaging with the substance of the argument.
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I think you and Baleforce are both good posters. It's a highly emotional debate these days and I'm trying to learn to hear others more and allow debate to happen. Except with outright racists who hate me, like Rob and Gazza.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
I am genuinely lost with what you are trying to say?
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He's saying...don't suggest ideas in the way he is operating in bringing up his kids.

I would say that when my daughter was young I'd take her into the men's loo or leisure changing room (mostly using a cubicle, obviously for the loo, she's a girl:)) as my presence in the ladies facilities would be more concerning...as the only thing we know for sure is children are innocent.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
He's saying...don't suggest ideas in the way he is operating in bringing up his kids.

I would say that when my daughter was young I'd take her into the men's loo or leisure changing room (mostly using a cubicle, obviously for the loo, she's a girl:)) as my presence in the ladies facilities would be more concerning...as the only thing we know for sure is children are innocent.
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Ok, that wasn't my intention, more to give suggestions and solutions.

Having a male and female only changing room isn't really related to the trans issue, thats just an issue that would exist if there were no trans in the world, so I am confused by the example still, but so be it.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Ok, that wasn't my intention, more to give suggestions and solutions.

Having a male and female only changing room isn't really related to the trans issue, thats just an issue that would exist if there were no trans in the world, so I am confused by the example still, but so be it.
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With the upmost respect, it’s not your place to give those suggestions.
 
Jurgen the German said:
He said he's blocked me and, frankly, that's fine. It's not worth engaging with people who aren't interested in having a genuine discussion. I've said for a while that I think he's trolling, and responses like that only reinforce that impression.

I'd much rather engage with people who are willing to consider different viewpoints, even if they ultimately disagree with me. That's how constructive debate works. If everyone simply dismisses opposing views, you end up with little more than groupthink.

I also think it's rather childish to block someone and label them a bigot when there's nothing inherently bigoted about what they've said. I've repeatedly argued that we need a sensible, robust debate about issues relating to transgender people. Too often, though, people like Baleforce seem more interested in Ad hominem attacks and shutting down the discussion and claiming the moral high ground than engaging with the substance of the argument.
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You're trying Jurg I'll credit you with that.

Rules of engagement are important as you're suggesting. It's quite sad that we have had to rewind to this level before even progressing with a discussion. But that's where we are, people have steroided views and polarisation is rife, across all subjects.

The saddest (and possibly dangerous) part, is many people, as you suggest somewhere near the centre, just can't be arsed with it anymore, it's off-putting, impenetrable and ends up feeling a waste of time (maybe I'm speaking for myself here?) .

I've said on here ages ago....most people concern themselves with far too much...but they just can't help themselves.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Sorry I disagree there

You posted a hypothetical scenario which you consider a conundrum, ive mearly made suggestions on solutions.

Its upto you to decide with what you do with it, I am not telling you how to raise your kids, thats absolutely up to you.
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This guy gives the most unsolicited advice, backed mostly by him misunderstanding things or not actually verifying the stuff he reads on the internet. Giving him advice is fine.
 
LutonSpurs said:
This guy gives the most unsolicited advice, backed mostly by him misunderstanding things or not actually verifying the stuff he reads on the internet. Giving him advice is fine.
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Its clearly just an opportunity to point score, not that his anecdotal issue has anything to do with Trans issue either, which made it odd to even post anyway??

I tried to clear up any confusion of it being about me telling him how to raise his daughter etc. That's 100% up to him and I have never in my life told anyone how to.

I will say that If you dont want comments or suggestions about a problem, dont post them on a public forum
 
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