Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[Grays_1890]

Wow. That's some amazing mental gymnastics to put more blame on Robinson than the Pakistani scum that industrially raped thousands upon thousands of white girls that they despised because they weren't muslim.

Maybe you could share your deep dive with a couple of links? Or is your source trust me bro? Sounds like you would have been the people that refused to believe the girls for fear of being called racist. Protect the Pakistani scum first victims a long second.

No need for "trust me bro" on this, I know I stand on the right side of history on this.

Below backs up all the points made:

First an importantly the fact that even you know that Robinsons racism nearly collapsed an entire investigation.


To my point about justice being rightfully served

Operation Stovewood: Seven jailed for child abuse in Rotherham

The case is part of the Operation Stovewood inquiry into child abuse in Rotherham.

www.bbc.co.uk

To my point about Starmer and the CPS, snapshots of an inquiry into his time which reflected on its shortcomings but Starmer striving to improve the outcome for victims (BTW I think Starmer is a pillock but he is not the only one who should carry the can for these historic abuses, Boris "the 60 inquiry is spaffed up the wall" has more to answer for):



To my point about the victims lashing out at Musk for being the cnut he is:



I stand with the victims of these things, not cnts like Robinson who twice almost made cases collapse. I would much prefer those being charged and tried to get whats coming to them than supporting a cnut who is endangering that process.........but yeh, its me thats using mental gymnastics.

You carry on supporting someone who has a history of domestic violence and has major associations with well known nonces (square that circle). Oh and someone who was complicit in the Eleanor Williams debacle where his involvement meant a load of innocent people were attacked and blamed for abuses because he marched into town and created uproar, only to find out that the whole thing was a lie.

An important note on the Eleanor Williams case which seems lost on prats like you, is that making stuff up and or racing to conclusions on cases based on ethnicity and colour of the skin of people does absolutely nothing to help the actual victims of genuine crime, in fact it makes it 10x harder, not that you care about fair justice yourself

So yeah I don't think he is helpful to the cause

Lets not lie here and pretend you care about the victims of this or any other abuse anyway because that would be a massive lie

 

[Kompakted]

Yeah, they should im theory be simpler. Electric engines are a piece of tinkle, much less complex than petrol ones. The batteries are everything on them though. Sort that tech and we could have 100mph golf buggies.

It isn't that they are hard to repair. Pretty much all accident repair centres used by insurers can repair them, the insurance cost is driven by a number of factors:
1) the oldest EV on the road is probably only around 7 - 8 years old. They're in the main far newer than equivalent ICE stock, and more expensive. Therefore insurance costs are higher on average.
2) EVs are faster. Motors are directly connected to the drive shaft and instantly turn faster based on accelerator input. And it's easy to get over 200 bhp put of a single EV motor. So your bog standard ID3 would give a golf GTI a run for its money in a drag race. Insurance premiums reflect that you're essentially buying "a fast car" when compared to traditional reference points.
3) Linked to point no. 2 they're far heavier. So you've got a fast, heavy lump that is not only fast but gets to its top speed far more rapidly and that means when accidents do happen the damage to the car and to whatever it hit will be worse than with the comparative ICE car.

 

[Kompakted]

Deutschebank believe UK economic performance will dip below the OBR projections forcing Reeves to raise taxes and borrow more:

A ‘painful sequel’ to the Budget may be coming, Deutsche Bank warns

Businesses should brace for a “painful sequel to the autumn Budget” after Rachel Reeves' tax raid in October, Deutsche Bank has warned.

www.cityam.com

 

[Grays_1890]

What I think needs to be further articulated is that sadly, *struggle cuddle* gangs/pedophile gangs involve circles of all races and types. Go after all of them!

Exactly, this, a point that despite saying it so many times on here and the other thread goes unheard. Go after everyone, get all the bastards that are undertaking these crimes. All the finger point and selective outrage is doing is muddying the waters and making it harder for any justice to be served for anyone.

Well said squire

 

[Grays_1890]

For anyone who cares, there is also a breadth of reading about Robinson and his associates over the years, unless I have missed it I can't remember them being called out but hey, happy to be proven wrong

Paedo rap for EDL leader

ENGLISH Defence League leader Stephen Lennon has been blasted for backing a paedophile who helped to set up the far-right organisation.

www.dailystar.co.uk

Neo-Nazi paedophile convicted of murdering schoolgirl who vanished eight years ago

15-year-old Paige Chivers vanished eight years ago

www.independent.co.uk

Convicted 'monster' killer jailed for abusing children

Convicted killer Robert Ewing subjected a boy and girl to three years of "sickening cruelty".

www.bbc.co.uk

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/pervert-made-canada-trip-meet-girl-13-1974317

Former Swanage soldier jailed for child abuse images

A FORMER soldier who planned to “frame” his partner’s ex-boyfriend by downloading child pornography onto his computer has been jailed for six…

www.dorsetecho.co.uk

Romford ‘Paedophile Squad’ jailed for Grindr blackmail

Two brothers who dubbed themselves “The Paedophile Squad” have been jailed for trying to extort £1,000 from a convicted child sex offender they…

www.romfordrecorder.co.uk

Paedophile released from jail early goes on the run for a second time

Mark Sleman, 42, of Exeter, Devon, was jailed for nine years in 1994 for the kidnap and attempted *struggle cuddle* of a ten-year-old girl.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Lancashire couple jailed for child pornography offences

Previous offender Michael Kinnear, 48, and Caroline Shaw, 29, convicted for possessing and sharing 21 indecent images of a child

www.theguardian.com

Paedophile caught trying to meet girl, 13, for sex hours after court hearing

Bradley Daniel Alford was caught by undercover police in a sting - but he had already targeted girls as young as 10 and had nude pictures on his phone.

www.bristolpost.co.uk

Jailed: Paedophile hunters snare Grimsby man live on Facebook

A Grimsby paedophile who thought he was meeting a 13-year-old for sex was stunned by two vigilantes who confronted him live on Facebook. Alan Boulter, 52,

thelincolnite.co.uk

Notts man jailed after admitting child sex offences

Luke Atkinson was jailed at Nottingham Crown Court

www.nottinghampost.com

Fake NHS worker found guilty of drugging and sexually assaulting vulnerable Sheffield women

A fake NHS worker who gained the trust of vulnerable Sheffield woman and plied them with alcohol and drugs before sexually assaulting them, has been jailed. Dean Chambers, aged 49, of Green Oak Roa…

far-rightcriminals.com

Man detained over sending explicit messages to murdered Kayleigh Haywood

Bruce Cordwell attempted to arrange to meet the tragic teenager over Facebook and WhatsApp for sex, a court heard

www.dailyrecord.co.uk

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-campaign-tommy-robinson-brexit-a9123376.html

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/crime/live-updates-billy-charlton-found-guilty-of-distributing-an-indecent-image-of-a-child-following-trial-3299175

How close Tommy Robinson came to causing collapse of Huddersfield grooming gang trial

Exclusive: Five defence lawyers applied for jury to be dismissed over Robinson’s Facebook Live video

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Kompakted]

Do you know what really depresses me about modern politics in the west? There's a full on war going on in Europe, rapid climate change, the Eurozone is on the brink of crisis and our economy is tanking too.....but people are more interested in arguing about which set of paedophiles are worse......

 

[Grays_1890]

Do you know what really depresses me about modern politics in the west? There's a full on war going on in Europe, rapid climate change, the Eurozone is on the brink of crisis and our economy is tanking too.....but people are more interested in arguing about which set of paedophiles are worse......

You could level that argument about anything TBF, this is a Spurs forum, people spend half their time arguing if Poch reign was value.....

 

[Kompakted]

You could level that argument about anything TBF, this is a Spurs forum, people spend half their time arguing if Poch reign was value.....

Haha I wasn't being serious. Although I do find that as is human nature, the people that seem to give the people they hate the most airtime are those people.

Right wingers in one corner frothing and sharing everything that comes out of Aaron Bastani and Stonewall.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, everyone on the left is showing how angry they are about Elon Musk trying to influence our politics, by sharing and commenting the s*** out of everything he says or does!

 

[Batspur]

No need for "trust me bro" on this, I know I stand on the right side of history on this.

Below backs up all the points made:

First an importantly the fact that even you know that Robinsons racism nearly collapsed an entire investigation.


To my point about justice being rightfully served

Operation Stovewood: Seven jailed for child abuse in Rotherham

The case is part of the Operation Stovewood inquiry into child abuse in Rotherham.

www.bbc.co.uk

To my point about Starmer and the CPS, snapshots of an inquiry into his time which reflected on its shortcomings but Starmer striving to improve the outcome for victims (BTW I think Starmer is a pillock but he is not the only one who should carry the can for these historic abuses, Boris "the 60 inquiry is spaffed up the wall" has more to answer for):

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To my point about the victims lashing out at Musk for being the cnut he is:

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I stand with the victims of these things, not cnts like Robinson who twice almost made cases collapse. I would much prefer those being charged and tried to get whats coming to them than supporting a cnut who is endangering that process.........but yeh, its me thats using mental gymnastics.

You carry on supporting someone who has a history of domestic violence and has major associations with well known nonces (square that circle). Oh and someone who was complicit in the Eleanor Williams debacle where his involvement meant a load of innocent people were attacked and blamed for abuses because he marched into town and created uproar, only to find out that the whole thing was a lie.

An important note on the Eleanor Williams case which seems lost on prats like you, is that making stuff up and or racing to conclusions on cases based on ethnicity and colour of the skin of people does absolutely nothing to help the actual victims of genuine crime, in fact it makes it 10x harder, not that you care about fair justice yourself

So yeah I don't think he is helpful to the cause

Lets not lie here and pretend you care about the victims of this or any other abuse anyway because that would be a massive lie

As suspected all a load of gonads you made up in your head on the last post. Why? Thats the weird thing. Why would you be looking to find a reason not to blame the Pakistani *struggle cuddle* gangs?


How am I supporting Robinson? Again, its all in your head.

You’ve made yourself look like a cuck for the Pakistani *struggle cuddle* gangs making up gonads to defend them.

Great ‘dive’ sherlock….

 

[Grays_1890]

Haha I wasn't being serious. Although I do find that as is human nature, the people that seem to give the people they hate the most airtime are those people.

Right wingers in one corner frothing and sharing everything that comes out of Aaron Bastani and Stonewall.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, everyone on the left is showing how angry they are about Elon Musk trying to influence our politics, by sharing and commenting the s*** out of everything he says or does!

Hahah Na I know, neither was I (although the Poch debate still grinds on today which is funny).

 

[Kompakted]

Hahah Na I know, neither was I (although the Poch debate still grinds on today which is funny).

Mate, people still hate Levy because we didn't sign Leandro Damiao (who turned out to be utter cat-tinkle BTW)

 

[Grays_1890]

As suspected all a load of gonads you made up in your head on the last post. Why? Thats the weird thing. Why would you be looking to find a reason not to blame the Pakistani *struggle cuddle* gangs?


How am I supporting Robinson? Again, its all in your head.

You’ve made yourself look like a cuck for the Pakistani *struggle cuddle* gangs making up gonads to defend them.

Great ‘dive’ sherlock….

Oh the irony of "making brick up" when your post is an absolute of lies.

We can blame guilty rapists and abuser whilst the clams of the world with it, especially when those clams have been a danger to the justice they proclaim to be seeking on the subject (which was the context of the original post about inquiries). The existence and occurrence of one does not necessarily mean the other cannot coexist.

Try again

 

[Kompakted]

Also, given Musk's big idea appears to be to get rid of Farage and try build a right coalition around Rupert f***in Lowe, im surprised the left don't want him to have any influence

 

[Grays_1890]

Also, given Musk's big idea appears to be to get rid of Farage and try build a right coalition around Rupert f***in Lowe, im surprised the left don't want him to have any influence

I genuinely thought Lowe was dead after Southampton, was shocked when he popped up the other week, I must have missed him somewhere

 

[Batspur]

Oh the irony of "making brick up" when your post is an absolute of lies.

We can blame guilty rapists and abuser also call out the clams of the world with it, especially when those clams have been a danger to the justice they proclaim to be seeking on the subject. The existence and occurrence of one does not necessarily mean the other cannot coexist.

Try again

Sure

Problem is people are falling for the old misinformation trick again.

What is the misinformation? Are you denying we had/have an epidemic of Pakistani *struggle cuddle* gangs?

There have been enquiries and people are serving life sentences for it, victims of Telford and Rochdale are condemning Musk for that exact reason and the fact they don't wanna be used as political pawns.

You have given one example of this. There were thousands upon thousands of victims. You speak for them all?

In principal I agree with your point, I think people deserve justice and where its not happened over a certain course of time I think people deserve the reasons why.

Very kind of you. I’m sure it means a lot to someone who has been gang raped by Pakistani men.

To caveat that given the news recently I have also done a dive into some of these crimes and the facts in many cases are alot different to what you would read and what people are believing on social media. On those that had sufficient evidence sentences are being served, in other cases there is a lack of evidence that met the threshold of enough evidence to prosecute or even identify and in some cases the threshold was not met, reviewed and then met and prosecutions were made (ironically it was under Starmer that happened)

I don’t believe you. You use the word facts but i don’t think you understand the word. Show me your evidence you uncovered on your ‘dive’

Ultimately like anything this is about the victims and I wonder, well actually I know in most cases people don't genuinely care about them or the facts, its more about political posturing

You know in most cases people don’t genuinely care. I suspect you are talking about yourself here. If not you come across as a pious fool.

If people really care about these incidence then they need to be against people like Robinson who nearly saw two trials collapse and have the opposite impact of what he was ironically campaigning about.

Again this is your mind talking. You have made this up. This has nothing to do your obsession with Robinson.

 

[Grays_1890]

Sure

Problem is people are falling for the old misinformation trick again.

What is the misinformation? Are you denying we had/have an epidemic of Pakistani *struggle cuddle* gan

Ermmmmmmmmmm watch Channel 4 for the next 2 hours, you will see exactly parts of the misinformation some of which was instigated by Robinson (despite being asked to stay away). People wrongly being attacked for a lie. I mean that kind of misinformation when innocent people are condemn for things the never did. So no, not denying there are Pakistani *struggle cuddle* gangs

There have been enquiries and people are serving life sentences for it, victims of Telford and Rochdale are condemning Musk for that exact reason and the fact they don't wanna be used as political pawns.

You have given one example of this. There were thousands upon thousands of victims. You speak for them all

Well no its a fact because I said victims have condemn Musk for using them as political tools, thats a fact, its not made up

In principal I agree with your point, I think people deserve justice and where its not happened over a certain course of time I think people deserve the reasons why.

Very kind of you. I’m sure it means a lot to someone who has been gang raped by Pakistani men.

Great response

To caveat that given the news recently I have also done a dive into some of these crimes and the facts in many cases are alot different to what you would read and what people are believing on social media. On those that had sufficient evidence sentences are being served, in other cases there is a lack of evidence that met the threshold of enough evidence to prosecute or even identify and in some cases the threshold was not met, reviewed and then met and prosecutions were made (ironically it was under Starmer that happened)

I don’t believe you. You use the word facts but i don’t think you understand the word. Show me your evidence you uncovered on your ‘dive’

I posted the evidence that backs up my point, there are those serving time, there are examples where the police and CPS fudged up and there are examples of where the CPS didn't want to pick up investigations because of the lack of weight of evidence which then was reopened when task forces were put in place and people were prosecuted. There is a whole BBC article on it, considering I have mentioned all three outcomes good and failures of the CPS and investigations AND my original post was in defence of those seeking justice I am not sure where you are going with the idea I am backing gangs.

Ultimately like anything this is about the victims and I wonder, well actually I know in most cases people don't genuinely care about them or the facts, its more about political posturing

You know in most cases people don’t genuinely care. I suspect you are talking about yourself here. If not you come across as a pious fool.

I don't think you care about the victims (see the last point) no anymore than Musk cares, I think you care more about who you think it to blame for *struggle cuddle* than calling out all *struggle cuddle*, so no I don't think many people care about the victims.............

If people really care about these incidence then they need to be against people like Robinson who nearly saw two trials collapse and have the opposite impact of what he was ironically campaigning about.

Again this is your mind talking. You have made this up. This has nothing to do your obsession with Robinson.

So you care about the victims but see condemnation of someone who put their justice in jeopardy as an obsession? Thats why I don't think you care about the victims in that statement alone.

Seeing as you are or want to act thicker than a boxing day sh1t I will make it clear and like SkipCnut I won't engage again because you are clearly a garden variety bigot. I think Pakistani *struggle cuddle* gangs are cnuts, I think any rapists or child abusers are clams, I think Musk is a cnut, I think Robinson is a cnut, I think you are a cnut.

Peace out "Bruv"

 

[Batspur]

I was waiting for the flounce at the end.

It didn’t disappoint but it was a bit long winded.

6.5/10

 

[Gutter Boy]

Do you know what really depresses me about modern politics in the west? There's a full on war going on in Europe, rapid climate change, the Eurozone is on the brink of crisis and our economy is tanking too.....but people are more interested in arguing about which set of paedophiles are worse......

Panem et circenses

 

[Batspur]

Panem et circenses

Everything is far left or far right now. Even though its not.

Johnson/Trump started it and Starmer is too thick not to fall for it.

 

[P.D.]

Deutschebank believe UK economic performance will dip below the OBR projections forcing Reeves to raise taxes and borrow more:

A ‘painful sequel’ to the Budget may be coming, Deutsche Bank warns

Businesses should brace for a “painful sequel to the autumn Budget” after Rachel Reeves' tax raid in October, Deutsche Bank has warned.

www.cityam.com

Labour really need some fresh innovative ideas to kick things off, feels like they just want to wait for endless reports and commissions, whether that's because they don't want to make decisions or know the money isn't there (likely both) I'm not sure.

I'm not sure if they're really viable yet but Rolls Royce (and others) are designing SMRs, this is an area we could take the lead in and generate cheap regular power and export the technology elsewhere. High end engineering is definitely something we should focus on, lots of opportunity there.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1873667975112438228