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Johnny nice-tits
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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
No decent person is happy about Trump. He should be in prison, said that as others have said as well.
Just as the police force had issues with institutional racism. Think it is now very real that the Muslim communities have those issues in this country towards white people and the is a huge concern that they are targeting vulnerable children.
Children that social services are claiming are making lifestyle choices at 11 years old. The police and councillors and now even appalling MP's like Phillips(labour) sweeping it under the carpet.
Now if you wish to discuss something in another country rather then confront the issue at hand, go ahead but it just looks like what aboutism.
The was an MP stood up and said that they believed (presumably after speaking with charities) thar 200 thousand children have been sexually abused in this country since the year 2000. Are we not going t o look into that because they are white of because the people are doing it are often identifying as Muslims.
I voted Labour but to hear Labour politicians tell whistle blowers not to mention it for matters of diversity. It upsets me and goes against my view of justice.
The was a national scandal when postmasters were wronged. But for some reason an awful lot of people in this country don't seem to care.
Grays_1890
Barry Daines
Its not about whataboutism its highlighting the hypocrisy of people like Musk whose main aim this week is to implant division into UK society when most normal people can acknowledge that the grooming gangs are a fudging disgrace as is any cover up. Musk who does who with his "care for females" when he himself paid someone of for exposing himself and his political boss being a rapist. Point is we all know its a disgrace, we don't need Space Goebbels wading in for his own benefit
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Ok. Yeah great and all true.
But what about 200 thousand children being sexually abused in this country. Forget about America if you can fir a moment, what about the institutional bias in this country that has allowed children to be abused. With several whistle blowers saying they come from largely Muslim back grounds.
Jess Phillips comments on it have disgusted me. I seem to remember you were one of the ones rightly criticising Prince Andrew, well what has happened and may still be happening is on a much larger scale and not with people of his standing but still people in authority and being helped covered up by other people for their own political purposes.
That your not appalled is appalling.
Grays_1890
Barry Daines
You saying that bolded part when I have clearly said in the previous post that grooming gangs and the cover up is a disgrace so seems a strange thing to end on. For the record I am appalled at Phillips response as I was the tory response at the time, the saving grace to it all is at least that the Rotherham gangs are serving life sentences.
My compass and conscious on these matters is absolutely clear, taking issue with clams like Robinson for being racist cnuts making it about division politics whilst two of his best mates are convicted paedophiles is purely about having a dislike for hypocrisy, not overlooking issues, lets not get it confused
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Doesn't even matter because the Treasury's own analysis predicts the policy won't actually raise anything, and in fact may actually cost the government money. Not just in terms of reduced attendance (and reduced fees) but also, as private schools are no longer liable for charitable status VAT exemptions, the clever ones are likely to reconstitute themselves as businesses and therefore be fully liable for all business expenses (but also eligible to claim VAT back). I believe a couple of large private schools have alreay become VAT registered and the cost of processing all of these new registrations and claims is likely to be not insignificant.
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
I am sure it wasn’t your intention but it’s wrong to call out “Muslim communities” as “targeting vulnerable children”. There were rapists and paedophiles who are Muslim who have done that but not whole communities.
Obviously what happened in Rochdale and Oldham is beyond abhorrent but is it thought to still be going on today? (Honest question, I don’t know).
There clearly was a reluctance to act driven by cultural sensitivities which was totally wrong but let’s not overlook the attitude of the police towards those victims who were often viewed as nothing more than prostitutes so that when their care homes reported them as not having returned at night, or reported them being driven away by adult men it was totally dismissed and ignored.
The rapist perpetrators deserve to be locked away for a long long time but there was a huge lack of safeguarding back then which one hopes would not be the case today.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
It seems very likely to be have been covered upby those communities. It is obviously not all Muslims as the left ate so very quick to point out. I actually started doing a forex trading group with a Muslim friend from B&Q, think it is in the buy the dip thread.
We won't know if it's still going on today until we get a full enquiry into the subject. My thoughts it will be like what happened in the Catholic church with abuse, similar size in cases but covered up because no-one is ever allowed to say anything about it.
One thing I hear quiet a lot and certainly in this thread is that people like Farage or Johnson con gullable people and they are some sort of evil masterminds. When actually in my experience in my peer groups they actually fill a void. It's not that they came along and hoodwinked people into thinking certain ways. It is that people oftenthink a certain way and are relieved when someone who is a public figure comes out and says what they are thinking.
It is shameful that it might take Musk for us to finally get to the bottom of this topic and find out just how many people coveted it up.
I would have thought after the terrible thing that happened to your sister you would want to know whether as a country all women are equal and deserving of protection. It seems white working class girls are not.
I'm absolutely disgusted that Labour MPs were telling other MPs not to bring this topic up for 'diversity' I saw this on sky news earlier when a Labour MP said he raised it in the party.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Should add @Glenda's Legs I agree on the police and social services but how much of their actions were driven by this crazy cult of political correctness we have in this country.
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
Well that was exactly my point - (not that my sister fell into this particular category, and I don't appreciate her being bought into the conversation but that's probably my fault as I should not have shared that info as it wasn't my story to tell, but it's done now) - the treatment of those young girls by their rapists but also by the authorities who had a total disregard for the girls' safety, was beyond abhorrent. But's that's already known. As far as I understand there was an enquiry 2 or 3 years ago under the Conservative government, but none of the recommendations were implemented. So I am not sure (but admit to not being wholly up to date with the news) why another is being called for.
All I can see is the victims are now being used to score political points which is disgusting.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
The victims are in part the ones calling for the inquiry.
Sorry for mentioning your sister I would not do it again, I meant in the context of how women or rather girls in this instance are being let down by an institutional bias against them by an establishment who do not want to upset a section of our society for political reasons.
I know your a woman so I wondered how you felt that a part of our country can not be criticised even if its abuse against women just because the abusers are a minority.
Do you not think there could be a link between a religion that subjugates and dehumanises women, and a group of people that subjugated and treated women like they're not humans?
Grays_1890
Barry Daines
Spot on
Johnson called the enquiry a 60m waste of time, which for whatever reason was a quote that slipped through the net at the time.
Unfortunately this country has had and still has a massive issue with sexual abuse across the board, vulnerable people being being taken advantage of by those that are either in or perceive themselves to be in powerful position. It runs through entertainment, the police, sport, religion (of all kinds) and both sides of the political divide, people want to make it about race but its more likely about men using archaic ideas of power to abuse people.
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The previous enquiries covered grooming gang activity in specific local authority areas (Rochdale and Rotherham), and local authority and police force response to it, the latest instruction to conduct an enquiry is into grooming gang activity in Oldham. I imagine there will be a string of enquiries into activity in other hot spot areas like Bradford.
Child sexual exploitation and linked human trafficking is rife in the UK. There's been government (NCA) engagement over the last few years with the banking sector about identifying and reporting bank accounts demonstrating transactional activity typical of use by an organised crime group involved in the trafficking and sexual exploitation of children and other vulnerable persons. In response we completed the deployment of an AI and machine learning model to automatically monitor accounts for these indicators. Interesting but depressing stuff to look into....
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
There should be no reason why any and all abusers cannot be criticised, identifed, charged, sent to trial and imprisoned, regardless of their ethnicity or heritage or role in society. That applies whether the abusers are of Pakistani heritage or of British heritage, or whether they are priests/other church officials, or police officers, or media personalities, or from any other category or group. And anyone who covers up or turns a blind eye to abuse (including domestic violence) is effectively being complicit in allowing it to continue and should be ashamed of themselves.
I have no issue at all with the Oldham/Rochdale and any others abusers being called out for what they are. But as with everything the language used is important. Some of the stuff that Musk is coming out with for example is frankly dangerous (not putting you in that category).
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
I think your glossing over the institutional aspect of these cases. It is one of the issues I have with liberals.
It has clearly been systematic and targeted It one section of society (poor white girls)
The use of language is covered by law, if anyone incites hatred they should go to prison. But it seems the way for certain types of people to shut down debate is to high handedly tell me the use of language is important rather then confront the issues.
Do we think the police and social workers should be allowed to gey away with their negligence? (Some of them might be white and Christian so I presume you would like to see them arrested)
Grays_1890
Barry Daines
Hahah some are gonna have a tricky one picking their side out of that
Grays_1890
Barry Daines
I would love the police to be investigated fully in a more open enquiry considering its harboured it's own rapists.
I need TP for my bunghole