thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
I think this is verging into nail-on-head territory, and goes to a major complaint I've had about him which is he doesn't even do what he used to do well with the same level of diligence anymore!!!
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OT: What next for Harry?
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I think this is verging into nail-on-head territory, and goes to a major complaint I've had about him which is he doesn't even do what he used to do well with the same level of diligence anymore!!!
I think as long as AVB doesn't leave in the next 3 years, we are going to build a very decent team no matter what happens to Bale. He has a clear vision of how to play, something Redknapp never had, and this is far more appropriate for medium to long term planning. For example, Lewis Holtby is a very talented player who would certainly fit in here under AVB and we are allegedly leading the chase to sign him on a free.
If we qualify for the CL this season I really think AVB will prove himself to be 10 times the manager Harry was. I think he provides the pair of hands that can have us challenging for the title season-on-season. However to do that we really need to keep Bale and sign a few more class acts. We aren't far off but as always, CL is massive.
If we qualify for the CL this season I really think AVB will prove himself to be 10 times the manager Harry was. I think he provides the pair of hands that can have us challenging for the title season-on-season. However to do that we really need to keep Bale and sign a few more class acts. We aren't far off but as always, CL is massive.
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
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thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
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Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
Rather than think you and yours can come in and jump all over any comment made which doesn't present Harry Redknapp as a footballing GHod, why not re-read my post and tell me what's wrong with it? I genuinely fail to see what's so egregious about the comment? He obviously has to know his stuff to a degree and he has made mistakes. Would it be 'shat-in-my-dinner' territory to ask why he has only won an FA Cup? Or to ponder why the biggest job he has ever had, or got, was ours? Or why he DIDN'T get the England job? I suppose those are all off the table, except for the 'shat in my dinner' crowd?
If you can be arsed, look back a few pages and you will see me outline exactly what my major problem with Redknapp was, and how it was always about what he could've done with us had he applied himself to the job in the way that, say, AVB is currently applying himself. Again, failure when you've tried as hard as you can is acceptable. Failure when you've lost your focus a couple of times but held your hand in the air and explained your part in it is forgivable. Failure when you pretend it wasn't and when you pretend you didn't take your eye off any ball at any time is unacceptable...IMO.
As for your last line, not a chance. Anyway, Golfball will tell you I am a liar! :lol:
<<Yes, a man of his years and experience has to know their stuff to a degree (Lampard is family BTW) but he is not a GHod of talent spotting, he makes mistakes like all managers...makes you wonder about Cavani though...also makes you wonder why he nearly flogged Bale...we'd best not mention the likes of Marco Boogers and Răducioiu.>>
For the record, I don't want Redknapp back, there is no way he and Levy could co exist now. AVB is the manager and he's doing a fine job so far, I won't compare the jobs they've done at Spurs as this is Redknapp thread.
What has David Moyes won in his career? Doesn't make him a bad manager. Name me a manager that has won a trophy at a non big four club in recent seasons? Quite a short list isn't it? Him and Redknapp are at a similar level as to what they've achieved in their careers, way below the likes of Wenger and Ferguson, but better than the likes of Mancini, Pulis, Jol, Martinez, Allardyce etc.
As for him not accepting his share of the blame, you're right, accepting culpability is definitely not one of his strengths.
As for why the FA didn't make him England manager? They probably were worried about his tendancy to run his mouth. But this is the FA were talking about, the organisation that turned down Brian Clough, are you seriously suggesting that they know what they're doing?
You are always defending Modric and other players whose behaviour could also be described as being unprofessional at best and appalling at worst. So why do you easily forgive him and only remember the good times, but you can't do the same with a manager that was a resounding success at our club and delivered some truly great days/nights at the lane? Seems that fans will forgive almost anything from a player, but it's different for managers, why is this?
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
Don't disagree with any of that. If AVB gets us top 4 and finishes above Arsenal, it will top anything Redknapp achieved.
NaijaSpurs
Les Ferdinand
Harry the soothsayer
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Mumorn
Vic Buckingham
AVB delivered me Spurs vs. Man Utd, the greatest win in fudging years.
Inter Milan were dogbrick and one of the worst European champions ever when Mourinho left them, utter toilet under Rafa. Beating AC Milan? Brilliant, absolutely brilliant when you look at our midfield and attack that day, good GHod.
Kingdawson
Banned
Inter dogbrick? dear GHod.
Mumorn
Vic Buckingham
Come off it, they were awful under Benitez.
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
Answers within thread mate (edit...sorry mate, just saw somehow my final answer ended up 'outside the box' if you know what I mean 
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I have defended Luka Modric because his agent was the initial provocateur when Chelski came to steal him, and I was enormously impressed with how he managed to get on with it last season and still have a great season despite the upheaval. He got on with his JOB despite the hullabaloo. I am not sure which other players I have defended in this regard, you will have to enlighten me with your list as it appears you have one. Berba? Nope. I was furious. Keane? The biggest disgrace of all! Yet I remained one of the very few people at the time who BACKED HARRY WHEN HE BROUGHT HIM BACK because it made excellent short-term sense given what we needed at that time (experience and a combative fighting midfielder).
Again, if Harry had only done it once then I'd forgive. But he did it more than once Jurgen. And he absolved himself of responsibility every time. I witnessed, under Harry, one of the best nights I've had since the 80s in Manchester. I don't need to broadcast my gratitude for that night any more, neither for Milan at home and AC away (for me his finest hour and the one which PROVED to me that his set-up COULD do it). But he didn't build on it. He didn't maintain. Because he got lost in his legal battle and then in the England furor. He allowed both to take his time and focus. And we paid.
You continually refuse to see my criticisms of the man clearly. it's fine, you can paint the picture you want to see, it's just a shame you don't seem willing to comprehend my criticisms.
)I have defended Luka Modric because his agent was the initial provocateur when Chelski came to steal him, and I was enormously impressed with how he managed to get on with it last season and still have a great season despite the upheaval. He got on with his JOB despite the hullabaloo. I am not sure which other players I have defended in this regard, you will have to enlighten me with your list as it appears you have one. Berba? Nope. I was furious. Keane? The biggest disgrace of all! Yet I remained one of the very few people at the time who BACKED HARRY WHEN HE BROUGHT HIM BACK because it made excellent short-term sense given what we needed at that time (experience and a combative fighting midfielder).
Again, if Harry had only done it once then I'd forgive. But he did it more than once Jurgen. And he absolved himself of responsibility every time. I witnessed, under Harry, one of the best nights I've had since the 80s in Manchester. I don't need to broadcast my gratitude for that night any more, neither for Milan at home and AC away (for me his finest hour and the one which PROVED to me that his set-up COULD do it). But he didn't build on it. He didn't maintain. Because he got lost in his legal battle and then in the England furor. He allowed both to take his time and focus. And we paid.
You continually refuse to see my criticisms of the man clearly. it's fine, you can paint the picture you want to see, it's just a shame you don't seem willing to comprehend my criticisms.
Posted this a few pages ago. Good video though
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
To be positive about Harry, I will detail a few very important games where he felt he was masterful...
2009 - Boro home. Yes, not a glamorous one, but we were hurting in the league still, we hadn't really drawn clear yet and we had just lost a heartbreaker at Wembley. 4-0 win. It was of massive massive importance to get a result that nioght, and was a quiet catalyst for our ascent that season IMO.
2009 (Dec) - Emirates Marketing Project home. Comprehensive arse-kicking with some excellent football. 3-0.
2010 (Apr) - Arsenal & Chavski. Each were thrilling matches where we really did pull out all the stops to produce tremendous 2-1 victories which required our best efforts, the emergence of Bale and some of the best goalkeeping we have seen at the Lane in decades from Gomes (a player who harry had absolutely re-energized at that time, i was delighted!).
2010 (May) - Emirates Marketing Project "That Game". Without a doubt one of my happiest nights in decades of support. I cried at the final whistle I was so excited. I cried again at Knutsford services when I realized the whiskey had gone already LOL!!!!!!!
2010 (Nov) Inter. Confidence and beautiful arrogance streamed from us, in particular "The Phenomenon" who was unplayable.
2010 (Nov) Filth. A match where Harry made a fantastic change in bringing on JD. What a day, what a day!
2011 (Feb) AC. Personally I think this was his very finest hour. Tactically he deployed a great system, with discipline and heart, used Pienaar perfectly, rode out injuries and ended up scoring a famous victory as just reward. We should again not forget how brilliant Gomes was. But I was excited to see Harry able to do the 'non-swashbuckle' in Europe. Great stuff. Smart stuff.
2011 (Apr) Goons. We did not win but played some of the very best football I ever saw under Harry in a 3-3 draw which I think we deserved to win.
2011 (Sept) Liverpool. Fantastic 4-0 battering, wonderful football, I really felt it was the emergence of a title-challenging side.
2012 (Feb) Newcash. A comprehensive battering again. Let's forget the circumstances of our oppostition, we battered them off the pitch.
2012 (May) Bolton. We finally looked to have our manager back in full-focus again, and the result was a superb away performance at 4-1 which gave me great hope that we could (and would) get it back.
There we are. Some of the games I PERSONALLY feel were massive for us under Harry. I'll leave it at that.
2009 - Boro home. Yes, not a glamorous one, but we were hurting in the league still, we hadn't really drawn clear yet and we had just lost a heartbreaker at Wembley. 4-0 win. It was of massive massive importance to get a result that nioght, and was a quiet catalyst for our ascent that season IMO.
2009 (Dec) - Emirates Marketing Project home. Comprehensive arse-kicking with some excellent football. 3-0.
2010 (Apr) - Arsenal & Chavski. Each were thrilling matches where we really did pull out all the stops to produce tremendous 2-1 victories which required our best efforts, the emergence of Bale and some of the best goalkeeping we have seen at the Lane in decades from Gomes (a player who harry had absolutely re-energized at that time, i was delighted!).
2010 (May) - Emirates Marketing Project "That Game". Without a doubt one of my happiest nights in decades of support. I cried at the final whistle I was so excited. I cried again at Knutsford services when I realized the whiskey had gone already LOL!!!!!!!
2010 (Nov) Inter. Confidence and beautiful arrogance streamed from us, in particular "The Phenomenon" who was unplayable.
2010 (Nov) Filth. A match where Harry made a fantastic change in bringing on JD. What a day, what a day!
2011 (Feb) AC. Personally I think this was his very finest hour. Tactically he deployed a great system, with discipline and heart, used Pienaar perfectly, rode out injuries and ended up scoring a famous victory as just reward. We should again not forget how brilliant Gomes was. But I was excited to see Harry able to do the 'non-swashbuckle' in Europe. Great stuff. Smart stuff.
2011 (Apr) Goons. We did not win but played some of the very best football I ever saw under Harry in a 3-3 draw which I think we deserved to win.
2011 (Sept) Liverpool. Fantastic 4-0 battering, wonderful football, I really felt it was the emergence of a title-challenging side.
2012 (Feb) Newcash. A comprehensive battering again. Let's forget the circumstances of our oppostition, we battered them off the pitch.
2012 (May) Bolton. We finally looked to have our manager back in full-focus again, and the result was a superb away performance at 4-1 which gave me great hope that we could (and would) get it back.
There we are. Some of the games I PERSONALLY feel were massive for us under Harry. I'll leave it at that.
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
Fair play, good to see a balanced post from someone who didn't like Redknapp =D>
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
Answers within thread mate (edit...sorry mate, just saw somehow my final answer ended up 'outside the box' if you know what I mean
I have defended Luka Modric because his agent was the initial provocateur when Chelski came to steal him, and I was enormously impressed with how he managed to get on with it last season and still have a great season despite the upheaval. He got on with his JOB despite the hullabaloo. I am not sure which other players I have defended in this regard, you will have to enlighten me with your list as it appears you have one. Berba? Nope. I was furious. Keane? The biggest disgrace of all! Yet I remained one of the very few people at the time who BACKED HARRY WHEN HE BROUGHT HIM BACK because it made excellent short-term sense given what we needed at that time (experience and a combative fighting midfielder).
Again, if Harry had only done it once then I'd forgive. But he did it more than once Jurgen. And he absolved himself of responsibility every time. I witnessed, under Harry, one of the best nights I've had since the 80s in Manchester. I don't need to broadcast my gratitude for that night any more, neither for Milan at home and AC away (for me his finest hour and the one which PROVED to me that his set-up COULD do it). But he didn't build on it. He didn't maintain. Because he got lost in his legal battle and then in the England furor. He allowed both to take his time and focus. And we paid.
You continually refuse to see my criticisms of the man clearly. it's fine, you can paint the picture you want to see, it's just a shame you don't seem willing to comprehend my criticisms.
I'm not at all impressed by anything Mancini has achieved in his career. Most managers would win the league with by far the best squad and with the best resources, he's underachieved at Emirates Marketing Project so far, scraping the title in the last minute on goal difference, failing in the CL two years running. He also had a big advantage at Inter as his rivals were either relegated or had points deducted.
Well you can blame Modric's agent all you like, But MODRIC was the one who refused to play against Man United because "his head wasn't right" and then publicly stated a desire to leave us to play for our 2nd biggest rival. He was also the one who didn't go on the club tour last summer, both of these actions put huge pressure on the club to sell him. Can you imagine the reaction if Redknapp had refused to manage a game because he wanted to move to Chelsea!
I still don't get why he wanted the England job in the first place, more chance of winning things with Spurs than England. I think he took his eye of the ball and made some grave tactical errors, but it's not like he did this on purpose, after all, it was in his interest to keep winning with Spurs don't you agree?
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
I don't disagree entirely with your last point mate, in which case rather than try to blame everyone else and say none of it had anything to do with anything, why not just admit and accept his part in it all (not solely him of course) and work to move forwards? The truth is I think separation was best for BOTH parties. I think Harry is very very astute, he'd have known Luka was off, he'd have known Ledders was done, he'd have known VdV was (at best) 50/50 and he'd have know that a total impasse had ben reached on transfer policy. It suited both parties. We had ceased to be a club he could bring any further IMO. Anyway...
southstand1882
Mitchell Thomas
These were biggies, for sure
It worked. People with class don't talk about class.