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I don't think it's much of an arguement for Lamela just because he played in that Arsenal game, so did 10 others. We've not looked any worse with Lamela out of the side, the only thing I can argue we miss from about him is his work rate, certainly not end product.

Lamela and Chadli are still our most creative players in the league with 5 assists each.
 
But only 1 goal. 5 assists is hardly earth shattering.

Exactly

Townsend has scored 5 goals now and he has at least one assist so his numbers stack up well too

I think without Lamella we look better balanced

Against Chelsea and Everton (two of our best performances) we looked great with the attacking three having freedom

Yes he did play against arsenal and yes he did work his socks off

What assist has Lamellas got please as I'm sure at least a couple are corners?
 
But only 1 goal. 5 assists is hardly earth shattering.

This has been discussed before - the Chadli-Lamela wonky. Because Lamela is so good at pressing and positioning, that gives Chadli a much greater licence to get up closer to Kane.

Lamela won't score as many, and Chadli won't get back as much, but as a pair they balance really well.
 
No doubt we were a bit lucky. Quite solidly second best in the first half, but much better after getting the goal. Should have had 3 by the time they got one back.

Anyone else think Austin looks like a useful player?
 
No doubt we were a bit lucky. Quite solidly second best in the first half, but much better after getting the goal. Should have had 3 by the time they got one back.

Anyone else think Austin looks like a useful player?

I think he would serve us better than Ade and Solly thats for sure!
 
This has been discussed before - the Chadli-Lamela wonky. Because Lamela is so good at pressing and positioning, that gives Chadli a much greater licence to get up closer to Kane.

Lamela won't score as many, and Chadli won't get back as much, but as a pair they balance really well.

Chadli can be a liability defensively no argument there. I am not trying to underplay Lamela's work rate because it is excellent but he's looked effective when Lamela has or has not played, Chelsea at home being a good example.

I'm interested to see the results when Lamela plays compared to when he does not play. You can use stats to suit an argument one way or the other, but would be interesting all the same.
 
I'm interested to see the results when Lamela plays compared to when he does not play.

Here you go. Not sure there's many conclusions to be drawn...

Code:
1 West Ham United (A) 16.08.2014 W 1-0          Subbed off 62 mins (0-0). Goal Dier 90 +3
2 Queens Park Rangers (H) 24.08.2014 W 4-0      Played 90 mins. Goals Chadli (2) 12, 37; Dier 30; Adebayor 65
3 Liverpool (H) 31.08.2014 L 0-3                Played 90 mins.
4 Sunderland (A) 13.09.2014 D 2-2               Played 90 mins. Goals Chadli 2; Eriksen 46
5 West Bromwich Albion (H) 21.09.2014 L 0-1     Played 90 mins.
6 Arsenal (A) 27.09.2014 D 1-1                  Played 90 mins [Y]. Goal Chadli 57
7 Southampton (H) 05.10.2014 W 1-0              Subbed off 90+1 mins (1-0) [Y]. Goal Eriksen 40
8 Emirates Marketing Project (A) 18.10.2014 L 1-4          Subbed off 60 mins (1-2). Goal Eriksen 16
9 Saudi Sportswashing Machine (H) 26.10.2014 L 1-2         Subbed off 78 mins (1-2). Goal Adebayor 19
10 Aston Villa (A) 02.11.2014 W 2-1             Subbed on 46 mins (0-1). Goals Chadli 85; Kane 90 +1
11 Stoke City (H) 09.11.2014 L 1-2              Subbed on 46 mins (0-2). Goal Chadli 78
12 Hull City (A) 23.11.2014 W 2-1               Played 90 mins. Goals Kane 62; Eriksen 90 +1
13 Everton (H) 30.11.2014 W 2-1                 Subbed on 61 mins (2-1) [Y]. Goals Eriksen 22; Soldado 45 +2
14 Chelsea (A) 03.12.2014 L 0-3                 Subbed off 74 mins (0-3).
15 Crystal Palace (H) 06.12.2014 d 0-0          Subbed off 46 mins (0-0).
16 Swansea City (A) 14.12.2014 W 2-1.           Subbed off 83 mins (1-1). Goals Kane 5; Eriksen 90
17 Burnley (H) 20.12.2014 W 2-1                 Played 90 mins. Goals Kane 22; Lamela 36
18 Leicester City (A) 26.12.2014 W 2-1          Played 90 mins. Goals Kane 1; Eriksen 71
19 Manchester United (H) 28.12.2014 d 0-0       Subbed on 79 mins (0-0).
20 Chelsea (H) 01.01.2015 W 5-3                 Not involved. Goals Kane (2) 31, 53; Rose 44; Townsend 45 +4 (p); Chadli 79
21 Crystal Palace (A) 10.01.2015 L 1-2          Not involved. Goal Kane 50
22 Sunderland (H) 17.01.2015 W 2-1              Not involved. Goals Vertonghen 2; Eriksen 88
23 West Bromwich Albion (A) 31.01.2015 W 3-0    Played 90 mins [Y]. Goals Eriksen 6; Kane (2) 15, 64 (p)
24 Arsenal (H) 07.02.2015 W 2-1                 Subbed off 90 mins (2-1). Goals Kane (2) 56, 86
25 Liverpool (A) 10.02.2015 L 2-3               Played 90 mins. Goals Kane 26; Dembele 61
26 West Ham United (H) 22.02.2015 D 2-2         Played 90 mins. Goals Rose 81; Kane 90 +6
27 Swansea City (H) 04.03.2015 W 3-2            Unused sub. Goals Chadli 7; Mason 51; Townsend 60
28 Queens Park Rangers (A) 07.03.2015 W 2-1     Subbed on 79 mins (2-1). Goals Kane (2) 34, 68

Played 90 mins:
P11 W5 D3 L3 F20 A15 Pt18

Subbed on, scoreline improved:
P2 W1 D0 L1 F3 A3 Pt3

Subbed on, no effect on scoreline:
P3 W2 D1 L0 F4 A2 Pt7

Subbed on, scoreline worsened:
P0 W0 D0 L0 F0 A0 Pt0

Subbed off, scoreline improved:
P2 W2 D0 L0 F3 A1 Pt6

Subbed off, no effect on scoreline:
P5 W2 D1 L2 F3 A6 Pt7

Subbed off, scoreline worsened:
P1 W0 D0 L1 F1 A4 Pt0

All played:
P24 W12 D5 L7 F34 A31 Pt41

Did not play:
P4 W3 D0 L1 F11 A8 Pt9
 
Here you go. Not sure there's many conclusions to be drawn...

Code:
1 West Ham United (A) 16.08.2014 W 1-0          Subbed off 62 mins (0-0). Goal Dier 90 +3
2 Queens Park Rangers (H) 24.08.2014 W 4-0      Played 90 mins. Goals Chadli (2) 12, 37; Dier 30; Adebayor 65
3 Liverpool (H) 31.08.2014 L 0-3                Played 90 mins.
4 Sunderland (A) 13.09.2014 D 2-2               Played 90 mins. Goals Chadli 2; Eriksen 46
5 West Bromwich Albion (H) 21.09.2014 L 0-1     Played 90 mins.
6 Arsenal (A) 27.09.2014 D 1-1                  Played 90 mins [Y]. Goal Chadli 57
7 Southampton (H) 05.10.2014 W 1-0              Subbed off 90+1 mins (1-0) [Y]. Goal Eriksen 40
8 Emirates Marketing Project (A) 18.10.2014 L 1-4          Subbed off 60 mins (1-2). Goal Eriksen 16
9 Saudi Sportswashing Machine (H) 26.10.2014 L 1-2         Subbed off 78 mins (1-2). Goal Adebayor 19
10 Aston Villa (A) 02.11.2014 W 2-1             Subbed on 46 mins (0-1). Goals Chadli 85; Kane 90 +1
11 Stoke City (H) 09.11.2014 L 1-2              Subbed on 46 mins (0-2). Goal Chadli 78
12 Hull City (A) 23.11.2014 W 2-1               Played 90 mins. Goals Kane 62; Eriksen 90 +1
13 Everton (H) 30.11.2014 W 2-1                 Subbed on 61 mins (2-1) [Y]. Goals Eriksen 22; Soldado 45 +2
14 Chelsea (A) 03.12.2014 L 0-3                 Subbed off 74 mins (0-3).
15 Crystal Palace (H) 06.12.2014 d 0-0          Subbed off 46 mins (0-0).
16 Swansea City (A) 14.12.2014 W 2-1.           Subbed off 83 mins (1-1). Goals Kane 5; Eriksen 90
17 Burnley (H) 20.12.2014 W 2-1                 Played 90 mins. Goals Kane 22; Lamela 36
18 Leicester City (A) 26.12.2014 W 2-1          Played 90 mins. Goals Kane 1; Eriksen 71
19 Manchester United (H) 28.12.2014 d 0-0       Subbed on 79 mins (0-0).
20 Chelsea (H) 01.01.2015 W 5-3                 Not involved. Goals Kane (2) 31, 53; Rose 44; Townsend 45 +4 (p); Chadli 79
21 Crystal Palace (A) 10.01.2015 L 1-2          Not involved. Goal Kane 50
22 Sunderland (H) 17.01.2015 W 2-1              Not involved. Goals Vertonghen 2; Eriksen 88
23 West Bromwich Albion (A) 31.01.2015 W 3-0    Played 90 mins [Y]. Goals Eriksen 6; Kane (2) 15, 64 (p)
24 Arsenal (H) 07.02.2015 W 2-1                 Subbed off 90 mins (2-1). Goals Kane (2) 56, 86
25 Liverpool (A) 10.02.2015 L 2-3               Played 90 mins. Goals Kane 26; Dembele 61
26 West Ham United (H) 22.02.2015 D 2-2         Played 90 mins. Goals Rose 81; Kane 90 +6
27 Swansea City (H) 04.03.2015 W 3-2            Unused sub. Goals Chadli 7; Mason 51; Townsend 60
28 Queens Park Rangers (A) 07.03.2015 W 2-1     Subbed on 79 mins (2-1). Goals Kane (2) 34, 68

Played 90 mins:
P11 W5 D3 L3 F20 A15 Pt18

Subbed on, scoreline improved:
P2 W1 D0 L1 F3 A3 Pt3

Subbed on, no effect on scoreline:
P3 W2 D1 L0 F4 A2 Pt7

Subbed on, scoreline worsened:
P0 W0 D0 L0 F0 A0 Pt0

Subbed off, scoreline improved:
P2 W2 D0 L0 F3 A1 Pt6

Subbed off, no effect on scoreline:
P5 W2 D1 L2 F3 A6 Pt7

Subbed off, scoreline worsened:
P1 W0 D0 L1 F1 A4 Pt0

All played:
P24 W12 D5 L7 F34 A31 Pt41

Did not play:
P4 W3 D0 L1 F11 A8 Pt9

Thanks for posting.
 
Exactly

Townsend has scored 5 goals now and he has at least one assist so his numbers stack up well too

I think without Lamella we look better balanced

Against Chelsea and Everton (two of our best performances) we looked great with the attacking three having freedom

Yes he did play against arsenal and yes he did work his socks off

What assist has Lamellas got please as I'm sure at least a couple are corners?

Just to be pedantic, 4 of Townsend' 5 goals have been penalties which makes his goal scoring feats almost as lopsided as Soldado' last season.

Although I agree that he probably is the better (well less bad) option down the right currently, as he doesn't dither on the ball so much and seems to have finally cut down on those wayward pot shots.
 
Just to be pedantic, 4 of Townsend' 5 goals have been penalties which makes his goal scoring feats almost as lopsided as Soldado' last season.

Although I agree that he probably is the better (well less bad) option down the right currently, as he doesn't dither on the ball so much and seems to have finally cut down on those wayward pot shots.

I agree although a Chunk of Lamellas assists are corners too (and Townsends at the weekend was a pen). You canto ignore et pieces as there very much part of the game IMO
 
I agree although a Chunk of Lamellas assists are corners too (and Townsends at the weekend was a pen). You canto ignore et pieces as there very much part of the game IMO
Indeed, considering how many penalties Keane + Defoe used to miss and how poor Eriksen' corners tend to be, we shouldn't take for granted how important those set-piece assists and goals can be.
 
The top 6 clubs keep European size squads (c.23 senior players). The rest of the league have smaller squads (c.18 senior players). If we failed to get EL this season we'd have to cut our squad size even more than we are already planning to do. This is for reasons of finance (if our wages can only be 65% of turnover, and our turnover drops significantly by having 8-10 fewer live + televised games, we need to slash the wage bill)

Or bin off as many of our 7 hopeless high earners and replace with better value players. You could get 73 Kanes for one Soldado.
 
I've noticed this too. For whatever reason, Eriksen and Lamela don't seem to gel when in the same team. Don't know why.

I don't think Eriksen, Chadli and Lamela are a very good combination. They don't compliment each others styles very well. I think Eriksen is here to stay but wouldn't be surprised to see the other two moved on in the Summer or at least lose any regular first team football next season.
 
Exactly

Townsend has scored 5 goals now and he has at least one assist so his numbers stack up well too

I think without Lamella we look better balanced

Against Chelsea and Everton (two of our best performances) we looked great with the attacking three having freedom

Yes he did play against arsenal and yes he did work his socks off

What assist has Lamellas got please as I'm sure at least a couple are corners?

Lamela and Towsend have almost similiar contributions now : Lamela 4 goals and 6 assists while Townsend 5 goals and 6 assists in all competitions. But Townsend's contributions are mostly against bottom teams or penalties. His highlight is the penalty against Chelsea. In contrast, Lamela brilliantly created the goal for Chadli at Arsenal and Kane at Liverpool. I am convinced Towsend cannot contribute like that as he probably would have shoot at goal instead of passing.
 
Lamela and Towsend have almost similiar contributions now : Lamela 4 goals and 6 assists while Townsend 5 goals and 6 assists in all competitions. But Townsend's contributions are mostly against bottom teams or penalties. His highlight is the penalty against Chelsea. In contrast, Lamela brilliantly created the goal for Chadli at Arsenal and Kane at Liverpool. I am convinced Towsend cannot contribute like that as he probably would have shoot at goal instead of passing.

And Townsend may have scored if eh had shot... Lamella has performed well against arsenal but against the other top sides he hasn't imo

Both are not very good and yep you could argue that own will get better... But it's still ifs, buts and maybes!!!
 
Lamela and Towsend have almost similiar contributions now : Lamela 4 goals and 6 assists while Townsend 5 goals and 6 assists in all competitions. But Townsend's contributions are mostly against bottom teams or penalties. His highlight is the penalty against Chelsea. In contrast, Lamela brilliantly created the goal for Chadli at Arsenal and Kane at Liverpool. I am convinced Towsend cannot contribute like that as he probably would have shoot at goal instead of passing.

Or what about a great solo goal against Swansea - a goal that Lamela could not score against any premier league team? Also townsend has not played nearly as many games so your point in void.

I have really started to grow frustrated at this opinon of 'there's Magic in his boots' or 'he's almost there'..... The guy is not quick or strong enough to do the stuff he tries as an inside forward. As a number 10 he is way too wasteful innpossession and constantly makes wrong decisions or low percentage moves. He is more graceful than townsend for sure, but he is certainly as pig ignorant,

Our 3 behind the striker really lack pace which is why imo townsend should start.

It's also funny how a townsend who has suffered with niggling injuries, looks low on confidence is still a more effective player! At least with LAmela we still have time to develop/sell him but I think I know what will end up happening.
 
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