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***** OMT TOTTENHAM VS CHELSKI *****

Bedfordspurs said:
We were unlucky IMO in that we didn’t score more … we hit the bar, son 1 on 1 and the penalty he could have won and Solanke miss
And they were lucky we have them two penalties
But they were the better side. We have been the better sides in many games and not taken the points
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I'd say we were lucky their players weren't better at picking out an unmarked team mate when they waltzed past our FBs. I lost count of the number of times Palmer and at least one other were in our penalty box and nobody bothered to get close to them.
 
Jurgen the German said:
I don’t agree about the chances or the setup. Did you not see the other chance Palmer had where he completely missed the ball in the first half? Or the one v one that Jackson had when he was clean through but Dragusin got back and tackled him? In isolation you could argue they only scored 2 from open play but that’s how we play, we always give teams chances and we’re too easy to play against. Going forward isn’t the issue, we always create but we gift too many chances at the other end. Bournemouth should have scored 5 the other night so yesterday was far from a one off. We can’t keep saying “we have the 2nd best defensive record” anymore especially as it’s not even the case now but even if it was, we still don’t defend well I don’t care what the stats say. BTW, they also gifted us our first two goals so it’s not like they were from our good play. Albeit good finishes.
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I didn’t see Bournemouth so can’t comment
I was at the game yesterday and did see the ones you refer too
Drago did brilliantly, but that’s his job
The skied shot I can’t remember though
They did make mistakes for the goals
Like we did for the penalties
Palmer got lucky though with their third
 
Jordinho said:
I'd say we were lucky their players weren't better at picking out an unmarked team mate when they waltzed past our FBs. I lost count of the number of times Palmer and at least one other were in our penalty box and nobody bothered to get close to them.
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Maybe they thought he would shoot
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I didn’t see Bournemouth so can’t comment
I was at the game yesterday and did see the ones you refer too
Drago did brilliantly, but that’s his job
The skied shot I can’t remember though
They did make mistakes for the goals
Like we did for the penalties
Palmer got lucky though with their third
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He (Palmer) didn’t sky it, he missed the ball completely from about 6 yards out so any contact would almost always lead to a goal in that situation.
 
Mikey10 said:
I'd be with you if it was a bad patch. Our results have been average to largely poor for a year, with only the odd hopeful flash - and most of our performances haven't set the world on fire either.
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Fair point. This is the first time we've been in a bad position under him in the league though I guess - there was never really any pressure on him last year in that respect. Would you fire him at this point?
 
billyiddo said:
Ever heard of :

Richard Garlick
Ramon Rodriguez Verdejo
Neil Bath
Andy Hughes

?

It's not generally a role that gets filled with known people afaia


Edit : I see the 2nd fella is actually Monchi who tbf is well known :tearsofjoy:
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Most say that I saw the second name and laughed out loud that you didn't realise that was Monchi. :D

Garlick was an internal promotion (I assume as a reward for good work he had been doing internally?)

Neil Bath was also an internal promotion at Chelsea (after doing amazing things with their academy for many years). His role was not as senior as Munn's is at Spurs, Bath was only responsible for the youth setup at Chelsea (under 21s downwards). Chelsea's Munn equivalent is split between Paul Winstanley and Laurence Stewart who joined from Brighton and Monaco respectively.

Andy Hughes is a managing director at victims but not in charge of the football side. If you mean Richard Hughes instead (?!?) then he was brought in after having a very successful ten years at Bournemouth where he transformed their recruitment department. However, even he does not have the equivalent job as Munn. That job at victims is held by Michael Edwards, the same Edwards that had a role at our very own club and moved from us to victims first as technical director and then as sporting director before leaving and then coming back to be their main football person (equivalent to Munn at Spurs).
 
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Kompakted said:
I see a lot of posts saying "it takes time to play this way", yet I think back to any manager that has been a success and it was blatantly obvious they were going to make a big difference straight away. Redknapp came in after a mess, imposed a style of playing straight away and with a few additions we finished 4th the next season qualifying for the CL for the first time in our history.

Poch came in after a mess again, 5th first season, 2nd the next having taken about a season to implement "dominate and win".

With these "give him time" posters I'd ask, "time to do what?" Where are we going with this? Is there a team that is successful that plays the way we do? The best comparison I can make is Saudi Sportswashing Machine under Keegan in the 90s....
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Redknapp did indeed.... and despite his over achieving the chairman sacked him.
Pochettino did indeed also.... and despite his over achieving the chairman sacked him as well.

I'm not sure we'll luck out on another Redknapp or Pochettino (they are but 2 of 14 managers under ENIC). It seems to me that the club is also choosing to cut the size and age of the squad to build for the future. I don't think many managers will want to manage under those circumstances (certainly not any worth their salt).
 
Kompakted said:
I see a lot of posts saying "it takes time to play this way", yet I think back to any manager that has been a success and it was blatantly obvious they were going to make a big difference straight away. Redknapp came in after a mess, imposed a style of playing straight away and with a few additions we finished 4th the next season qualifying for the CL for the first time in our history.

Poch came in after a mess again, 5th first season, 2nd the next having taken about a season to implement "dominate and win".

With these "give him time" posters I'd ask, "time to do what?" Where are we going with this? Is there a team that is successful that plays the way we do? The best comparison I can make is Saudi Sportswashing Machine under Keegan in the 90s....
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Let's see how he can do with a few more of -

Vicario, Romero, Richarlison, Odobert, VdV, Davies, Bentancur and Moore available before we slate him too much shall we? He effectively has 17 man squad right now. Two of those are 17/18.
 
Mikey10 said:
In your opinion.

My opinion is that those types of challenges are unlikely in a system which doesn't require players to constantly be chasing back towards their own goal, which encourages them to keep the ball and to be much more pragmatic in their approach when they have a 2-0 lead at home, and in which huge gaps aren't left between the lines.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Conte didn't start Bissouma. Any thoughts on why that might be? He also wasn't all too keen on starting Sarr.
 
billyiddo said:
Said it before but IMV it's this sort of confusion that contributes to the type of basic mistakes we are seeing from players - once tactical instructions are second nature you see less mistakes being made
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It sounds to me like you'd love a certain Italian manager, goes by the name of Conte. He sets up teams to play in exactly this fashion.

Oh how narratives change!
 
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SpurMeUp said:
It sounds to me like you've love a certain Italian manager, goes by the name of Conte. He sets up teams to play in exactly this fashion.

Oh how narratives change!
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Not sure I follow - do you think tactics being second nature are exclusive to Conte or something? I'd imagine it's what all managers strive to achieve with their players
 
DeanoAustin said:
Fair point. This is the first time we've been in a bad position under him in the league though I guess - there was never really any pressure on him last year in that respect. Would you fire him at this point?
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Not until we’ve got a decent alternative (not Southgate, not Potter), but yesterday finished me with his rein. He isn’t changing his ways; the players often look lost; we are making similar to errors to those we were making a year ago; and his in-game management is beyond poor. I don’t believe that giving him time will change anything, as he doesn’t want to change.

He’s done. It’s a matter of (fairly limited) time, I reckon.
 
billyiddo said:
Not sure I follow - do you think tactics being second nature are exclusive to Conte or something? I'd imagine it's what all managers strive to achieve with their players
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You are advocating for a manager who is more defensive - yes?
You want a manager who instils clear tactics, where they run etc so players don't have to think??

You are outlining Antonio Conte. A manager you also wanted sacked too early imo.
 
Mikey10 said:
Not until we’ve got a decent alternative (not Southgate, not Potter), but yesterday finished me with his rein. He isn’t changing his ways; the players often look lost; we are making similar to errors to those we were making a year ago; and his in-game management is beyond poor. I don’t believe that giving him time will change anything, as he doesn’t want to change.

He’s done. It’s a matter of (fairly limited) time, I reckon.
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I fear this is true. I cant stand the idea of another turn around. If we do this we need to get a coach that will be able to use the type of player we have signed.

Its when you see the same thing over and over again you start to wonder. and nothing is changing.
 
SpurMeUp said:
You are advocating for a manager who is more defensive - yes?
You want a manager who instils clear tactics, where they run etc so players don't have to think??

You are outlining Antonio Conte. A manager you also wanted sacked too early imo.
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Your reading and comprehension leaves a lot to be desired bud. I haven't commented on the tactics regarding defensiveness one way or the other - he has his approach and will live or die on whether he gets the team playing his way or not (and in turn whether those tactics are good enough ultimately in this league)

I don't even want him sacked :tearsofjoy:
 
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