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***OMT*** Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool

DHSF said:
Ahh but you know what? we keep it still and you know why? hope - hope that the following season will be better and dont wanna miss out.

I have sold a fair number of games this season via the ticket stub hub thingy bob, partly cos of work but partly cos i dont enjoy going anymore. I pay 900 a season.
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Your right, ill be there on Wednesday night supporting the team as usual, its in your blood isnt it
 
DHSF said:
Ahh but you know what? we keep it still and you know why? hope - hope that the following season will be better and dont wanna miss out.

I have sold a fair number of games this season via the ticket stub hub thingy bob, partly cos of work but partly cos i dont enjoy going anymore. I pay 900 a season.
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Similar Marky, 18 years but you know what, coming out of the ground yesterday I wasn't angry or upset, was just laughing at how bad we are.

People change and I certainly don't worry anymore about spurs. I guess as you get older there are more important things to enjoy/worry about.
 
Luckily I had a family dinner to go to, and didn't see the game. I wonder though, for those of you who watched the game, would we have done better with two proper centre backs, a proper left back and Sandro fit for the entire game? How much of the loss/performance was due to us missing key players, and hwo much was due to us being, well, **** overall?
 
I'll whisper it quietly but I thought we actually had a few nice interchanges around the box. Certainly a bit slicker than previous games.
 
Now the dust is settling on AVB's departure, I'd like to know what went wrong yesterday.
None of us saw it coming, we all saw a home win. We had played well against ManU, maybe deserved more than one point.
So were AVB's tactics in the first half hour hopelessly wrong, or did the players just under-perform spectacularly?
Surely one part of the game plan must have been to protect our injury weakened defence, and in particular the left back position?
I'm not a football tactician, just someone who loves the game....how did AVB get the first half yesterday so hopelessly wrong? Or was it just one of those "bad days at the office" when everything that can go wrong, does go wrong??
 
Just wondering whether Sandro's thigh strain might have been what did for AVB!!!!
I'm sure yesterday was the straw that broke the camel's back for Levy, the lack of goals and dull, ponderous approach play being the main problem.
But the manager was surely unlucky yesterday...
 
lurker of old said:
Now the dust is settling on AVB's departure, I'd like to know what went wrong yesterday.
None of us saw it coming, we all saw a home win. We had played well against ManU, maybe deserved more than one point.
So were AVB's tactics in the first half hour hopelessly wrong, or did the players just under-perform spectacularly?
Surely one part of the game plan must have been to protect our injury weakened defence, and in particular the left back position?
I'm not a football tactician, just someone who loves the game....how did AVB get the first half yesterday so hopelessly wrong? Or was it just one of those "bad days at the office" when everything that can go wrong, does go wrong??
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High line with that injury hit defence of ours against the likes of Suarez and Sterling? recipe for disaster.
 
I knew within the first 5 minutes it was going to be one of those days. I kept watching in the hope that we would turn it around, but every loose ball seemed to drop to a Liverpool player and every 50/50 decision going their way. I can certainly understand the frustration among our players in the second half. Remember Holtby picking up a rather needless booking.
 
lurker of old said:
Now the dust is settling on AVB's departure, I'd like to know what went wrong yesterday.
None of us saw it coming, we all saw a home win. We had played well against ManU, maybe deserved more than one point.
So were AVB's tactics in the first half hour hopelessly wrong, or did the players just under-perform spectacularly?
Surely one part of the game plan must have been to protect our injury weakened defence, and in particular the left back position?
I'm not a football tactician, just someone who loves the game....how did AVB get the first half yesterday so hopelessly wrong? Or was it just one of those "bad days at the office" when everything that can go wrong, does go wrong??
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before the game
Modric THFC said:
Suarez against Dawson and Capoue is gonna be embarrassing tbh.
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But my real issue was at 1-0
Modric THFC said:
If AVB doesnt change something with the defence we are gonna be 3-0 down soon enough.
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Why did he not change anything? Why did he keep the high line?
 
lurker of old said:
Now the dust is settling on AVB's departure, I'd like to know what went wrong yesterday.
None of us saw it coming, we all saw a home win. We had played well against ManU, maybe deserved more than one point.
So were AVB's tactics in the first half hour hopelessly wrong, or did the players just under-perform spectacularly?
Surely one part of the game plan must have been to protect our injury weakened defence, and in particular the left back position?
I'm not a football tactician, just someone who loves the game....how did AVB get the first half yesterday so hopelessly wrong? Or was it just one of those "bad days at the office" when everything that can go wrong, does go wrong??
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As many have said, a high line with a CB pairing of Daws and Capoue and with Naughton at LB is and was lunacy. Sterling was roasting Naughts from the off and someone should have gone back to double up on him and help out (Capello said so on Sky Italia).
 
SpurMeUp said:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/15/tottenham-liverpool-tactical-analysis?
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A well put comment at the bottom of that article:

I don't think his lack of a professional playing career makes a difference. However, I think that he has only gotten this far thanks to his luck at getting to know Bobby Robson, and, in turn, Jose Mourinho - and he is now being found out for it.

Whilst other managers and assistant managers who didn't have playing careers had to take the long road to the top job, getting good results whilst coaching at lower levels, AVB spent a few years being an opposition scout/tactical analyst then jumped straight into top-level management.

Compare AVB to Brendan Rodgers and Paul Clement (Real Madrid's assistant manager for those who don't know). All three are relatively young men very high up in the coaching world, and none had a career as a professional player. However, whereas AVB's experience prior to his first big job at Porto consisted of being a scout for Porto, then Chelsea, then Inter, then a bit of managing at Academica for a few months in the Portuguese Premier League, Brendan Rodgers was coaching youth teams at Chelsea, then their reserves, then moved on to managing clubs in lower leagues, where he had a few "trial and error" spells before he really got the hang of it. Paul Clement is the same - PE teacher, then youth coaching at Chelsea and Fulham, then up to assistant manager at Chelsea, then Blackburn, then PSG and now Real Madrid.

What having all that coaching experience gives you which having scouting experience doesn't is two major things:

1) Man management skills - the longer you actually have experience of working with players directly, the more you learn about how to handle different personalities, how to keep the squad close-knit and make sure that everybody is happy and, most importantly, confident in themselves. Whilst I know AVB had a reputation for making sure Porto was a happy camp, I don't think before Chelsea he had ever had the experience of being in charge of a group of players who were going through bad form and having to help lift them out of it - when you are managing at a top club this is something you need to have. I imagine Brendan would have plenty of experience of that after twenty-odd years as a coach working with players.

2) In game tactical changes. Whilst AVB appears to have very good tactical knowledge in general - one only has to see his tactical reports from his time as a scout to realise he has a very strong ability to analyse team patterns, general gameplan, player roles and individual strengths and weaknesses, from my own experience as a coach in youth football tactical analysis to make changes in the middle of a game is very, very different. It's one thing to be able to watch the tape of a game and spend hours writing up reports on every last detail about a player or team. However, in the middle of a game, when you and the players are having to think about so many different things at once, making a sound enough analysis of the other team that you can make effective tactical changes whilst trying to concentrate on your own team is much harder. More difficult still is trying to communicate tactical instructions to a player who is operating on pure adrenaline and won't take much information on board. This is another thing which I imagine AVB will not have had enough experience of when compared to somebody like Rodgers or Clement - being able to make changes in game based on what you've seen during the match, without any chance to go over and review what you've seen, and communicating it effectively to his players. I remember somebody telling me Wenger only ever tells his players two things at half time - whilst I think that handing out 70 page dossiers to players is a good idea during the week before a game, it is impossible to speak in such detail in the heat of the moment.

I really hope AVB gets til the end of the season, but I also think he comparatively is much less experienced in actual coaching than many realise, even if his theories are very sound. What is more important than anything is that whatever happens he learns from his mistakes.
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diego_maradona said:
I'm not saying they haven't got a decent side now but I just can't believe how arrogant most come across and how they genuinely think they'll steam roller us, on our own turf.

I know all teams have idiot fans but they do seem to have more than most
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We genuinely thought that because of all of your injuries and your (ex)manager's continued stubbornness with regards to playing a high line and inverted wingers that limit the space and opportunities afforded to Soldado.

It's honestly not that big a conclusion to jump to. We were always going to stop our losing streak against you sooner or later, and Sunday was definitely the time it was most likely to happen.
 
thfcsteff said:
Yes mate, last season I made a few away games, tend to make a few aways every season (not bad from 6000 miles) and always have more fun than home games which are ritual and religion (make of that what you will!!!!!!!!)…;-)
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Not bad?? Brilliant I would say
 
SteveAWOL said:
A well put comment at the bottom of that article:
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Don't agree with any of that comment, as well written as it was.

Nothing has come out about his man management so far, and most players seemed to back him. He was given top jobs in England because he won a treble and went a season undefeated, so he kind of paid his dues pretty quickly. I've also seen us turn games around after in-match tactical decisions and he had a great win % with us.
 
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