Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
about as good as Norwich's, west brom and Wigan's last year
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****OMT Tottenham Hotspur vs Fulham **** Saturday 19th April 2014 12:45
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about as good as Norwich's, west brom and Wigan's last year
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
I like the promotion of the youngsters as well, has pleased me.
chancer
Gudni Bergsson
What you are saying above it exactly correct - those teams are completely useless...
....which is why all these macaronic call for a DM before the game are so ridiculous!
You lot can't have it both ways - saying before the match "We need a platform or we'll be overrun!" and then after the game saying "These teams are so crap we should be beating them"!
I mean, that is wrong on the substance before the fact, and dishonest in the appraisal of the mistake after it. Pure bad faith.
I understand that in 2014 a lot of Spurs fans are freaked out by the idea of winning a match by scoring more goals than the other lot. I am not one of them. There was a time that was a majority view, but it seems now Spurs fans have a boner for DM's, containment, safety first, building platforms, 1 up front...I mean, for the love of GHod wtf is going on with that??? AVB-itis I call it.
All 5 of the goals you mention were down to good players doing a terrible job. Vlad, Daws, Verts, Rose, Naughton...all have made terrible mistakes all season and that is nothing to do with formations or tactics. How many games in a row, btw, have we seen one of our centre backs PASSING the ball to an attacker for a goal? Is it in 3 of the last 4?
I'd be more prepared to meet people half way on that point if they met me halfway on the point that Eriksen has improved since being given a regular position he likes in the team. But since I'm not hearing that, I don't feel the need to meet halfway on it.
On Sandro, sit there and tell me with a straight face his form warrants selection if you want, but on some level beyond the hypothetical, you know that's not true. Sandro at his best? Maybe. Today? Nowhere near.
Another thing that drives me insane....people say play Sandro but don't say who they'd drop. Because if you play Sandro you have to change a team that's won two in a row at home and, terrible errors/luck aside, played well the previous week away. So, what kind of numbskull changes a winning team and formation for no reason? And to boot, to remove an offensive midfielder for a DM in a home match against relegation fodder?
Hmmm all well made points. But I've been against the idea of Chadli as a CM from day 1. He's done a job, but again look at the calibre of opposition. Sandro is a central midfielder. I don't buy this notion that a defensively minded midfielder necessarily means our offensive play will falter. He could be described as a multiplier by getting the most from those around him.
On the whole, I agree the idea that you don't need specialists. Arrigo Saachi spoke of this many times and his issue with the galactico project. I just don't think we are in a fit state currently where we are operating as a unit to carry out the needs of the team from a defensive or offensive point of view.
Sherwood has changed winning teams before.
Interestingly on the point of the goals being conceded being down to individual errors, it is of course abundantly clear that this is the case. I don't put it down to tactics at all. But what is behind it? Are players ill-prepared? Are they under pressure and crippled with fear of making a mistake that they do anyway? Either way, I've never known us to be so error prone before than what I've seen under Sherwood.
Look ultimately I'm not afraid to admit that I am irrational when it comes to football. I never really liked Sherwood as a player at our club and certainly not now. I liked AVB but admit the football was not great. I did argue and still do that he should have got until the end of the season. It's irrational. But I was behind AVB as an appointment. I was never the idea of Sherwood as an appointment.
This ultimately drives much of my views about Sherwood. Again I'll admit that. But the guy does not impress my one bit.
He has clearly done some good. Bentaleb. Kane. The two most obvious. But his ideas wildly differ from one idea to the next. It just feels to me to be a bit of a free for all. Pot luck as to where a player will end up playing. Let's try Chadli in the hole. On the left. In midfield. Dembele is a right attacking forward. No, now hes the DM. He just seems a bit of a chancer (no pun). Let's give it a go attitude. I think this club deserves more and I simply cannot rally behind this guy. His opinions wildly differ from one month to the next. His touch line antics are cringeworthy. And if AVB was accused of alienating Adebayor, then surely he is doing the same to others.
(Chancer, absolutely love reading your posts btw, only person who genuinely is able to put a cohesive argument in favour of Tim right now
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SteveAWOL
Chris Jones
You mean that Sunderland side who:
- claimed a 2-2 draw at the Ethihad this week, a game they should've won if Mannone didn't have such butter fingers.
- who only lost to Everton due to a deflected own goal last week.
- narrowly lost 2-1 at Anfield at the end of March.
The same side who are bottom of the league.
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chancer
Gudni Bergsson
(Chancer, absolutely love reading your posts btw, only person who genuinely is able to put a cohesive argument in favour of Tim right now
On Sherwood, I honestly couldn't give a fiddlers about the guy one way or the other, it's just there are some really, really silly and unreasonable things being said about him IMO. And that does get my back up.
SteveAWOL
Chris Jones
Yup, the same side who (were managed by the lunatic that is Paolo Di Canio) lost 7 of their first 8 league games but in the past 3 weeks have scored more goals against the team who are top of the league plus got more points against the team who are third in the league than Tottenham have all season.
Seconded =D>
The same side that under that other lunatic Poyet have got 2 points from their last 9 games.
Hotshot-Tottenham
Edgar Davids
Ok, under Sherwood we've done well against the lower placed sides. Against the top teams we've been dismantled, as we were under AVB. So, credit to Sherwood to get us scoring.
But we've been very shaky at the back although I do take the injuries into account. There seems a lack of cohesive thinking with the midfield selections - wholesale changes, players out of position, undroppables becoming unpickables. It's just odd and it smacks of a lack of a plan to me.
What I don't like is the carping on to the press... Only two of our players are world class, the jury's out on Lamela, Sandro's not good enough. Whether they're true or not, those kind of statements do not foster harmony, respect, confidence or positivity.
We should present a united front and wash the dirty linen out back. I don't want Sandro and Lamela for instance being alienated before someone like LVG has had a chance with them.
But we've been very shaky at the back although I do take the injuries into account. There seems a lack of cohesive thinking with the midfield selections - wholesale changes, players out of position, undroppables becoming unpickables. It's just odd and it smacks of a lack of a plan to me.
What I don't like is the carping on to the press... Only two of our players are world class, the jury's out on Lamela, Sandro's not good enough. Whether they're true or not, those kind of statements do not foster harmony, respect, confidence or positivity.
We should present a united front and wash the dirty linen out back. I don't want Sandro and Lamela for instance being alienated before someone like LVG has had a chance with them.
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
They are as similar as you want them to be Jordinho. Both are critical of their respective managers except one has chosen to go public the other hasn't. Both have been poor prior to their "dropping" from the side. The difference as I see it is that Sandro is a cult hero and Sherwood is the pantomime villain. That,s a role reversal from Ade and AVB.
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
Agreed. I have to say I don't think he is the long term answer but he certainly hasn't been the unmitigated disaster the posters on here seem to think he is.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Were just one big happpppppppppppppppppy family this season
SteveAWOL
Chris Jones
Losing to the likes of Wet Spam, ARSEnal, Norwich and Liverpool... glad we haven't had to endure such embarrassing defeats at Spurs this season... 8-[
Agree about Poyet hardly being a paragon of level-headedness though!
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
managed to beat chelsea at chelsea not many do that
JerusalemMan
Chris Perry
It only goes to show that our 5-1 victory over them should not be dismissed as a gimme out of hand.
THFC6061
Paul Robinson
Don't worry - the Sherwood Haterz will come up with 101 great reasons why our 5-1 win had nothing to do with him.
Well that was... enthralling. Two top quality teams putting on a real show
Nah, poor game unfortunately, would hope with the pressure off that we'd play a slightly more expansive and exciting style but alas not. But we haven't been treated to many 2+ goal wins in the last couple of years, so I'll take it.
Hope Fulham stay up, I get free tickets to the away tie which always works out nicely.
Nah, poor game unfortunately, would hope with the pressure off that we'd play a slightly more expansive and exciting style but alas not. But we haven't been treated to many 2+ goal wins in the last couple of years, so I'll take it.
Hope Fulham stay up, I get free tickets to the away tie which always works out nicely.
thfcsteff
George Hunt
I think that for some, well, me anyway, it's his behaviour that's been utterly egregious…although I don't think he's necessarily shone as a coach either in the last month or so...