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****OMT- TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR VS Chelski**********
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Armchair Expert
Vedran Corluka
I think we'll lose 3-0.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
Hudd will not get on the ball in a two man midfield versus Ramires and Mikel. If chelsea dominate the midfield then Bale will be crowded out in the middle. Holtby has struggled out wide whenever he's played there.
Bullet
Andy Thompson
I did immediately think about Gomes after posting that, to be honest. And you're right, different people react to pressure or setbacks in different ways. You also make a good point about the mental strength of some of our lads.
But it does get me wondering sometimes. I'm not a Premier League footballer: hell, the Isthimian League is probably too high for me. But I, an uninspiring amateur goalkeeper, managed to turn a setback into a mental 'push', if you will. Now, Premier League footballers have to jump many, many hurdles to get to where they are: they have to deal with nerves and mental stress on a weekly basis, and have to be prepared for a career filled with crowd, media and professional scrutiny.
To do this, they have the help of full-time psychologists, supportive managers and coaching staff, and as a fall-back, their friends and family.
Everything seems to point to them being able to turn defeats into strengthening experiences much more easily than the average Joe.
But of course, that is analyzing emotion using logic, something you quite rightly pointed out is disingenuous.
Point withdrawn.
Most players are extremely unintelligent. The Good Lord blesses them with footballing skills, and the Good Lord Taketh away their ability to think more than 8 minutes in advance. Unless they're in the VIP area and they see a fitty. Then they'll think about ordering a Magnum of champagne so they can impress the dress off her. But that's not my point.
You are analysing this like an intelligent, rational human. Footballers are essentially cattle. They will react to the crowd, as they don't have two nubs of intellect to rub together.
ringo
Tim Sherwood
I'm assuming Dembele will be out, Parker available, Lennon doubtful.
-----------------Lloris
--Walker--Caulker--JanV--- Benny
------------Thudd-----Parker
-------------------Holtby
--Lennon [Bale] ----- Ade---- Bale [Siggy]
depending on Lennon's fitness.
An alternative, if slightly risky, might be:
-----------------Lloris
--Walker--Dawson--Caulker--- Benny
------------Thudd-----JanV
-------------------Holtby
--Lennon [Bale] ----- Ade---- Bale [Siggy]
depending on Lennon's fitness.
-----------------Lloris
--Walker--Caulker--JanV--- Benny
------------Thudd-----Parker
-------------------Holtby
--Lennon [Bale] ----- Ade---- Bale [Siggy]
depending on Lennon's fitness.
An alternative, if slightly risky, might be:
-----------------Lloris
--Walker--Dawson--Caulker--- Benny
------------Thudd-----JanV
-------------------Holtby
--Lennon [Bale] ----- Ade---- Bale [Siggy]
depending on Lennon's fitness.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I did immediately think about Gomes after posting that, to be honest. And you're right, different people react to pressure or setbacks in different ways. You also make a good point about the mental strength of some of our lads.
But it does get me wondering sometimes. I'm not a Premier League footballer: hell, the Isthimian League is probably too high for me. But I, an uninspiring amateur goalkeeper, managed to turn a setback into a mental 'push', if you will. Now, Premier League footballers have to jump many, many hurdles to get to where they are: they have to deal with nerves and mental stress on a weekly basis, and have to be prepared for a career filled with crowd, media and professional scrutiny.
To do this, they have the help of full-time psychologists, supportive managers and coaching staff, and as a fall-back, their friends and family.
Everything seems to point to them being able to turn defeats into strengthening experiences much more easily than the average Joe.
But of course, that is analyzing emotion using logic, something you quite rightly pointed out is disingenuous.
Point withdrawn.
You'd think so, but it seems that football is quite far behind many other sports when it comes to the use of sports psychologists. At least according to this reported interview with Sam Allardyce: http://www.bps.org.uk/news/sam-allardyce-praises-sports-psychology
He says that several clubs aren't getting that kind of help. If we are or not I don't know.
Risky is the word, not sure about Jan in central midfield. Don't think this is the game to test that out.
ringo
Tim Sherwood
Yes it's not really the time -- for the future, perhaps, given that we also have Kaboul and Caulker, and having seen Jan's mazy runs and eye for a goal, I think he would polish up into a pretty good midfielder. And if Parker and Dembele are not fit Wednesday, I might be tempted to play Verts as a DM. Because we need bodies in there and we are bit limited for options. Carroll's probably a better option --but not Livermore.
BedfordBen
Michael Brown
This is what's keeping me hopeful right now. If our run-in was QPR Reading and Wigan at home then I'd know a fudge-up was inevitable and we wouldn't be getting 9 points. We're best in adversity, and going to Chelsea with only a win being acceptable is the kind of situation where I think we'll thrive. Just look at the year we got 4th when we had to play Arsenal and Chelsea in 4 days to stay in the race and we battered 'em both.
SPURSphenomenon
Kevin Scott
Absolutely THIS
Carroll is less of a risk but still a big risk to start. He has looked good in spells of the bench but no starts and Chelsea have an awesome midfield with a lot of movement. Will he have the positional sense let alone energy to get in amongst them? Can see some big tackles coming in as well, possibly a red or two depending on the hunger shown.
True but I think we had a much better team back then. What we do have now of course is Gareth Bale.
Armchair Expert
Vedran Corluka
We can play whoever the fudge we want, wherever we want on the pitch, we're still going to take a fudging pasting.
Its obvious.
It'll be a totally non-cohesive no show. If Parker's back we'll win the pirouette's 156 - 0. Apart from that we're going to get no joy whatsoever.
It'l probably start fairly even, they'll score from their first corner after about 12 minutes and that'll be that.
Its obvious.
It'll be a totally non-cohesive no show. If Parker's back we'll win the pirouette's 156 - 0. Apart from that we're going to get no joy whatsoever.
It'l probably start fairly even, they'll score from their first corner after about 12 minutes and that'll be that.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Bale to pluck one from nowhere again. Besides that, can't see us getting anything. No one else looks like scoring.
Rossi22
Pedro Mendes
I take it you won't be watching the game then.
Armchair Expert
Vedran Corluka
I'll be watching the game. I'm happy with the season, think we've punched a bit above our weight with this squad. I just think we're going to get exposed and that we've been asking for a pasting for a while, we just avoided because we were playing crap teams.
I'll be praying for the best, but fully anticipating the worst.
I'm not sure how to feel for this game. On the one hand I'm very nervous as Chelsea are good all over the pitch, and we only seem to look good where Bale is at the moment. However, I think after yesterday's game AVB will begin to really look at the problems facing our squad and how to patch them up because he knows what's at stake.
Nigeyman
Chris Armstrong
Personally Im feeling really low at the moment and very very angry with manu & sir alex....lol
But the fight hasnt died in me yet........
Q do I think our team has the capability to beat Chelsea on Wednesday??
A YES!!!!
It really is time for our squad to effin STAND UP AND BE COUNTED !!!
Come on you spurs....
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
I'm not proposing a two man midfield. You're right, both Holtby and Siggy play best through the middle. So what I am proposing, if you adjust the formation to reflect the real positions on the players, would look something like this:
Without possession:
---------------------Lloris-------------------
Walker--------Daws-------Verts--------Naughton
---------Holtby---Parker---Hudd---Sig--------
-----------------------Bale-------------------
------------------------Ade------------------
With possession:
---------------------Lloris-------------------
--------Daws------------------Verts----------
----------------Parker------------------------
Walker----------------Hudd--------------BAE
------------Holtby----Bale-------Sig----------
-------------------Ade----------------------
Overloading the middle, if you will, relying on our full-backs to provide width.
It's a huge gamble, but after today's result, we have no choice, I suspect.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Come now, not all our players are dim. The likes of Bale and Lloris come across as quite well-spoken and intelligent in interviews.
Although on the other hand.......
[video=youtube;EK5NHXBV9yY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK5NHXBV9yY[/video]
1:03
'Most Intelligent'
"We ain't got the brightest team, so...I dunno, I'll give it to someone like Gomes, he wears glasses."