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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Wolverhampton Wanderers ***

harr1984 said:
Happy to be proved wrong, but this constant 'We are on the verge of giving someone a real spanking' talk that gets trotted out is real pie in the sky stuff at the best of times, let alone against a very good Wolves side. Sure at the beginning of the season we looked unplayable at times, and you can argue things digressed when half the team got injured and we are now almost at full strength again. But this was also when we was very much an unknown quantity in terms of how we would setup with a new manager and no Kane.

Teams are much more well prepared and setup to how we play, and whilst we maintain periods of good football we are not absolutely dominating the opposition - even the bottom half teams. And specific to Wolves they are a good team who are well coached (like you say) and will not be easy - any sort of win will be well fought, I don't know where you think 5-1 is coming from but each to their own I guess....
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I’d say Villa was the last team we dominated, poor finishing let us down that day. Every win we’ve had since has been hard fought.
 
tommysvr said:
We haven’t played well enough recently, but we haven’t turned into a brick team. We’re getting people back up to speed and I fully expect us to start putting in performances we saw last year. Even performances in games we lost, like Chelsea, Villa and West Ham, where we were all over them for at least parts of the game and just couldn’t score. Find our scoring touch with performances like that, and we absolutely will batter a team.

I really don’t know why beating Wolves (or a team like them) comfortably at home is “pie in the sky”.
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It's pie in the sky because football isn't an exact science. Losing some games we could have won on another day doesn't equate to 'We will batter teams with our first eleven fit' which is often trotted out on here. It can be just as difficult for the opposition playing against a mish mash team not knowing how we are going to setup.

The games you mention were in November and early December and there has been nothing to suggest we will be battering anyone in recent times, least of all a decent Wolves team. I accept on any given day we could give a team a real pasting, as could most PL teams on the right day - I just don't see why you would pick this to be the game, but obviously would be delighted to see it happen...
 
harr1984 said:
It's pie in the sky because football isn't an exact science. Losing some games we could have won on another day doesn't equate to 'We will batter teams with our first eleven fit' which is often trotted out on here. It can be just as difficult for the opposition playing against a mish mash team not knowing how we are going to setup.

The games you mention were in November and early December and there has been nothing to suggest we will be battering anyone in recent times, least of all a decent Wolves team. I accept on any given day we could give a team a real pasting, as could most PL teams on the right day - I just don't see why you would pick this to be the game, but obviously would be delighted to see it happen...
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.... so it's not pie in the sky?
 
Mosquito_Coasting said:
Think Royale is the best back up we have in the squad for a position (not seen enough of Dragusin). Real shame both Porro and Udogie are out at the same time, hope we can progress the ball forwards in our usual manner without them. Maddison needs to step up creatively today.
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As does Kulu too, we need the 15 minutes in the 2nd half Kulu for the whole game, he was excellent in that spell
 
harr1984 said:
It's pie in the sky because football isn't an exact science. Losing some games we could have won on another day doesn't equate to 'We will batter teams with our first eleven fit' which is often trotted out on here. It can be just as difficult for the opposition playing against a mish mash team not knowing how we are going to setup.

The games you mention were in November and early December and there has been nothing to suggest we will be battering anyone in recent times, least of all a decent Wolves team. I accept on any given day we could give a team a real pasting, as could most PL teams on the right day - I just don't see why you would pick this to be the game, but obviously would be delighted to see it happen...
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Here is what I said:

it feels like we're ready to burst and really punish a team at some point. I hope this is the game.
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Not sure why it’s so controversial. My reasoning is because we haven’t played well lately. This team is too good to keep playing poorly, and Ange’s tactics can absolutely overwhelm even very good teams — we did it for 20 minutes against Brighton last week, they couldn’t cope with us from 50-70 mins. If we can do that for longer, a team like Wolves would also find it hard to cope. Hence “I hope this is the game”
 
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harr1984 said:
It's pie in the sky because football isn't an exact science. Losing some games we could have won on another day doesn't equate to 'We will batter teams with our first eleven fit' which is often trotted out on here. It can be just as difficult for the opposition playing against a mish mash team not knowing how we are going to setup.

The games you mention were in November and early December and there has been nothing to suggest we will be battering anyone in recent times, least of all a decent Wolves team. I accept on any given day we could give a team a real pasting, as could most PL teams on the right day - I just don't see why you would pick this to be the game, but obviously would be delighted to see it happen...
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I guess the assumption is that for the first time in 4 months we’d have an almost fully fit squad (only the 5 first team squad players out!), so we’d have been in better shape and playing more to the level we achieved at the start of the season when we had a similarly fit squad. Think losing Porro and Udogie this week might have put paid to this though?

Don’t think anyone is saying, or has said, that the previous few months havent been a struggle, but should be fairly obvious why that was?
 
tommysvr said:
Here is what I said:



Not sure why it’s so controversial. My reasoning is because we haven’t played well lately. This team is too good to keep playing poorly, and Ange’s tactics can absolutely overwhelm even very good teams — we did it for 20 minutes against Brighton last week, they couldn’t cope with us from 50-70 mins. If we can do that for longer, a team like Wolves would also find it hard to cope. Hence “I hope this is the game”
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Never said it's controversial, the pie in the sky comment you picked up on was aimed not at you specifically but a recurring reference from certain posters to how we are going to be spanking teams when we have a fully fit team - football doesn't work like that. Sure, we have a better chance of winning games but it doesn't mean every match we go into equates to us scoring 3 plus more goals or whatever.

Anyway, specific to what you said you predicted we will beat Wolves 5-1 and was questioned why you think that. Apparently because we have been poor lately. Ok then, all I can say is let's hope you're right as half my fantasy team is littered with Spurs players...
 
Gazza Dazzla said:
I guess the assumption is that for the first time in 4 months we’d have an almost fully fit squad (only the 5 first team squad players out!), so we’d have been in better shape and playing more to the level we achieved at the start of the season when we had a similarly fit squad. Think losing Porro and Udogie this week might have put paid to this though?

Don’t think anyone is saying, or has said, that the previous few months havent been a struggle, but should be fairly obvious why that was?
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Yep, we all see the obvious assumption and have already covered why the assumption a fully fit squad = thrashing teams doesn't necessarily add up. We will have a better chance of winning games we lost or would lose for sure, but this isn't like the start of the season when everything was fresh and new. Teams know exactly how we play now, there isn't the element of surprise there was at the start, it's a totally different situation fully fit squad or not....
 
harr1984 said:
Never said it's controversial, the pie in the sky comment you picked up on was aimed not at you specifically but a recurring reference from certain posters to how we are going to be spanking teams when we have a fully fit team - football doesn't work like that. Sure, we have a better chance of winning games but it doesn't mean every match we go into equates to us scoring 3 plus more goals or whatever.

Anyway, specific to what you said you predicted we will beat Wolves 5-1 and was questioned why you think that. Apparently because we have been poor lately. Ok then, all I can say is let's hope you're right as half my fantasy team is littered with Spurs players...
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5-1 is just a random prediction. Do I really think we’ll win by that? I dunno. We’ve only won 5-1 ten times in 30 odd seasons in Premier League so it’s unlikely.

The performance is more the point; I don’t think this team is far away from getting back to where they were earlier in the season. We’ve not been playing well yet since that 4-1 win over Saudi Sportswashing Machine on the 10th of December, we’ve only lost once in 8 League games (away to Brighton). So when we do play well I can very much imagine it will result in a comfortable win, particularly at home against a midtable team.
 
harr1984 said:
Yep, we all see the obvious assumption and have already covered why the assumption a fully fit squad = thrashing teams doesn't necessarily add up. We will have a better chance of winning games we lost or would lose for sure, but this isn't like the start of the season when everything was fresh and new. Teams know exactly how we play now, there isn't the element of surprise there was at the start, it's a totally different situation fully fit squad or not....
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Ahh ok, I wasn’t sure what was soo difficult to understand about it tbh, all seems fairly obvious to me. I’ll leave you guys to it then.
 
Baleforce said:
any win will do, but we need to get into a clean sheet habit
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i still don't think you're grasping Ange ball man.. if the opponent score 2, we'll score 3... score 3, we'll score 4.. and so on and so forth.

we aint settling for edgy 1-0 wins.
 
jrh said:
i still don't think you're grasping Ange ball man.. if the opponent score 2, we'll score 3... score 3, we'll score 4.. and so on and so forth.

we aint settling for edgy 1-0 wins.
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How about we score 4 and keep a clean sheet ?
 
tommysvr said:
It is what ‘Harr’ said, hence the quotations.
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"Giving someone a good spanking" isn't the same as comfortably winning at home, you're exaggerating the opinion to make it easier to argue against for some unknown reason.

I don't disagree with the rest of what you've posted as such. As I've said elsewhere it's been a popular idea that we're bound to suddenly click and destroy a team, it's good to be positive of course but I alongside others don't see it happening just yet. I guess if we get a Sheffield on a bad day whilst we're at our best but it takes some circumstances being in our favour for that.

Obviously a win at home against Wolves isn't absolutely out of the question (a comfortable one possibly is ha) but they're imo a rare example where they are a lot better than the table suggests.

No one is saying it will be a cakewalk and maybe one person has suggested we could win 6 - 1, we'd all love the latter of course but I don't see many putting money on that outcome. Especially as in one fell swoop we're back to excellent players in Davies and Royal that don't bring the same strengths to the table in terms of what Ange gets from our 1st choices...
 
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