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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Hull City, Sunday 27th October***

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Still, another three points and another clean sheet. Good to see Townsend recovering from his tumble into the Sarlacc pit that apparently exists behind our electronic hoardings (and good to see the unfortunate cameraman receiving treatment as well). Hard fought game, and we got away with it, but still....another win. Come on you Spurs.
 
Hard to celebrate such yet another such awful peformance. Even the crowds cheers were a mix of muted relief and embarrasment. Just like last year it papers over the cracks but at least it will give the "who cares, we won" phalanx something to smile about.

I didnt want to admit it before, but I have come to realise that this IS AVB's masterplan, this IS AVB's vision, and this IS AVB's management at its limit we are seeing at the moment. THIS IS IT ! ! !
 
He needs to learn that we lack creativity and one touch players centrally. The only one who we have who can bring that is Eriksen. He needs to play in the big games rather than Holtby, at least til we get someone to replace MOdric in CM

I am sure that Eriksen will get plenty of chances. He was poor against West Ham and Holtby had been in form in Europe, I'm sure that AVB is just playing the man in form.

Replacing Modric is not going to happen, we play a different formation now and AVB seems to prefer two sitters.
 
1-0 to the Tottenham!! Oh well, another less than slick performance today but we finally have a manager who seems able to persuade referees into giving us penalties plus the mark of good teams is being able to win games when not performing at their best so I'm looking forward to when everything clicks and we start rolling over teams \o/

@OptaJoe: 4 - Tottenham have now won four Premier League games 1-0 this season, matching their total from last season. Narrow.
@Squawka: Roberto Soldado has scored 75% (3/4) of his Premier League goals for Spurs this season from the penalty spot.
@OptaJoe: 3 - After not winning a single PL penalty in 2012-13, Tottenham have now had more than any other team this season. Switch.
 
I'm sorry, I'm not sure how you can genuinely believe that. Results are all important in the end but that was a poor poor performance. Harper was barely troubled all game.

Hull, a team with 7 injuries and 4 players making their first PL start this season, offered far more than they should have done tbh.

We got lucky with the penalty imo and we need to sort this out asap because I'm not quite convinced we can go through the season doing this. A lot of bedding in and more efficient attacking to be done over the next few months.

I don't understand what you can possibly be expecting if you think this is poor. I would say it's above average, good, but not very good (average being what we need to do to win). I think that we will begin to see improvements in our attacking from now on. We are solid defensively, very solid if we can maintain our concentration levels, and AVB and the coaches have a pretty good idea who's hot and who's not.
 
Making heavy weather of it, but hey, we're winning, we're keeping clean sheets and we're damn hard to beat.

It will come together, we will start scoring more freely and we've given ourselves a good, solid base to move on from here.

They always said it was the mark of a good team: not playing well but winning. I'll subscribe to that.
 
lets be honest, that was a let off.

Cohesion is what we lacked. It was not a team performance. Theres no understanding of each others movement apart from Walker and Townsend. Lennon did not show for the ball much and was off the pace. Against defensive team would like to see the team get closer in triangles and pass and move. But Hull were very disciplined and tight, credit to them.
 
Hard to celebrate such yet another such awful peformance. Even the crowds cheers were a mix of muted relief and embarrasment. Just like last year it papers over the cracks but at least it will give the "who cares, we won" phalanx something to smile about.

I didnt want to admit it before, but I have come to realise that this IS AVB's masterplan, this IS AVB's vision, and this IS AVB's management at its limit we are seeing at the moment. THIS IS IT ! ! !

I'm pretty much in agreement. AVB has created a side that will be very hard to beat. Especially in the Champion's League if we ever got there.
Its ****ing horrible to watch.
I know people are saying we're waiting for players to gel etc. But the spine/base of the side is there and formed and cant pass, control the game or create anything.
If AVB wanted something else he would not be playing 2 of sandro/dembele/paulinho/capoue in the middle.
 
I don't understand what you can possibly be expecting if you think this is poor. I would say it's above average, good, but not very good (average being what we need to do to win). I think that we will begin to see improvements in our attacking from now on. We are solid defensively, very solid if we can maintain our concentration levels, and AVB and the coaches have a pretty good idea who's hot and who's not.

I'm expecting more than 5 league goals in 5 home league games. Is this an unreasonable request? As a comparison, our rivals (two Manchesters, two other London clubs and probably two Liverpool clubs as well) have 13, 12, 9, 9, 7, 6. (7 is Man Utd, 6 is Everton). Those 5 games were against Norwich, Chelsea, Swansea, Hull and West Ham.

Even ignore the goals scored, sometimes you're destroying the other team, playing great, shots coming in all over the place, keeper having a great game etc. Did that happen today? Can you honestly say Harper was overly troubled today?

I find it strange that expecting some attacking fluidity or even some pressure on the opposition goal from a team that is still admittedly in need of gelling together, is somehow seen as a strange expectation.
 
442 with Soldado and Ade would work well in these games I think. 442 isn't cool enough though so we'll never see it.

I hope that AVB can live down the embarrassment of switching to an uncool formation and that the other managers don't bully him too much about it.
 
Best start to PL season ever - OK, but what a **** game that was. How many games like this have we played now? What have we learned from them? Nothing, it seems. It was a penalty, sure enough, but we're lucky to get one. We neeeeeed to play a more offensive formation at home, need to have two strikers to hold up their center backs and keep more of their defense occupied deeper, will create lots of more space for players coming in from midfield. We're more fun to watch away from home these days, because we play that awefully tedious formation at home. It works away from home, because we get more space, but it won't help us play these crammed up defenses, as our formation is crammed enough as it is. Damnit. Frustrating game.

But glad we won. ;)
 
lets be honest, that was a let off.

Cohesion is what we lacked. It was not a team performance. Theres no understanding of each others movement apart from Walker and Townsend. Lennon did not show for the ball much and was off the pace. Against defensive team would like to see the team get closer in triangles and pass and move. But Hull were very disciplined and tight, credit to them.

to be expected?
we moved verts to the left, replaced him with virtually a newcomer in chiriches
lennons first real start this season
no dembele starting
holtby doesnt get to start that often either; no siggy

probably true that avb doesn't know his first eleven; nevertheless we won and the learnings that the new/young players had out there was invaluable
 
lets be honest, that was a let off.

Cohesion is what we lacked. It was not a team performance. Theres no understanding of each others movement apart from Walker and Townsend. Lennon did not show for the ball much and was off the pace. Against defensive team would like to see the team get closer in triangles and pass and move. But Hull were very disciplined and tight, credit to them.

Who do you expect to pass? Lennon, Townsend, Sandro, Walker aren't exactly the quick passing triangle type. Our side is built on phsically, speed and dribbling not passing.
 
I'm pretty much in agreement. AVB has created a side that will be very hard to beat. Especially in the Champion's League if we ever got there.
Its ****ing horrible to watch.
I know people are saying we're waiting for players to gel etc. But the spine/base of the side is there and formed and cant pass, control the game or create anything.
If AVB wanted something else he would not be playing 2 of sandro/dembele/paulinho/capoue in the middle.

I seriously hope this isn't AVB's vision. Its fking dire.

Surely there's potential for the front 3 behind the attacker to go up a couple of notches? If we can get something out of those three then the solid two might not be too bad. I don't mean to harp on but where the fcuk is Lamela? I'm not sure we should be spending 32 million for a back up to Townsend? Is he shiit or what?
 
Nevertheless, we have a great defensive base so if AVB can figure out how to get our players to gel, to pass and move near the box and supply Soldado on a regular basis, there should be the basis of a very good team there. We'll see how that goes this season.
 
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