Kandi1977
Garth Crooks
I forgot to add the 'Yet'
-
Dear Guest, Please note that adult content is not permitted on this forum. We have had our Google ads disabled at times due to some posts that were found from some time ago. Please do not post adult content and if you see any already on the forum, please report the post so that we can deal with it. Adult content is allowed in the glory hole - you will have to request permission to access it. Thanks, scara
*** OMT - Tottenham Hotspur v Chelscum ***
- Thread starter NLS
- Start date
tommysvr
Vedran Corluka
Conte and everyone on here is totally correct that we don't have the squad to compete. But we should at least expect some more effort. That first half was truly dire. No intensity in anything -- the same problem that's plagued us for a long time, regardless of who plays.
elyid
Milija Aleksic
Clap their cheeks…
IulianSteaua
Jose Dominguez
We can put it on Harry, and there is nothing wrong with that, might be true. Or we can put it on the fact that we were outsiders în the last few finals. That we were not good enough as a whole, because Harry didn't miss any sitters. If he played for City în our last final, he wouldn't have had to do anything to lift the trophy.
IulianSteaua
Jose Dominguez
His coordination is poor at best and he wishes his technique matched that. But hey, we can keep supporting and defending him, Tanganga, Davies and even Dier. Then wonder why you are not even close to the top teams, of course it's Kane's fault, Son's fault or maybe young Skipp's fault.
Last edited:
paxtonwolf
Tony Marchi
The only smile I raised during the whole game was laughing at Ashley Cole at HT. Regards the Tanganga clearance for the 2nd own goal.
"I would have chested that down first"
Even Dawson knew.
No way
"I would have chested that down first"
Even Dawson knew.
No way
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Spot on imo.
We went for the counter attacking approach, that's fine. But up against a team like Chelsea who are capable of playing with a lot of control when we then conceded early it was always going to be real difficult.
Not to excuse our first half, we weren't good enough, but it wasn't like Chelsea kept opening us up again and again. They had pressure, but mostly without creating great chances unless gifted to them.
Lacking our two of our first choice centre backs, in a squad that already had problems at centre backs when we only played two of them. Only one ball playing centre back on the pitch.
This kind of thing happens, it's frustrating and it's not pretty, but that's what happens.
Two goals will be extremely difficult to overturn in the second leg, really not a good spot to be in against them, but still a touch of hope there.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I think there was effort there, but it's very difficult against Chelsea when they play well, get the early goal and we heve a two man midfield asked to cover huge areas.
From a tactical viewpoint they just found so much space. Keeping up intensity and aggression when you're being asked to cover a lot of space, always too far from the man receiving the ball is very difficult.
I think there's a reason why Conte made such a drastic change in formation at half time. Asking for more intensity just wasn't going to cut it.
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
Amazing that we come away from that only the 2 goals down. But equally frustrating with both goals being so avoidable. Who knows how it might have panned out if we had got through the first 15 minutes or so unscathed. The gulf in quality was evident, especially in that awful, awful first half, so maybe Chelsea would have found the goals anyway.
But, 0-2 - it's not insurmountable. Hugely difficult but still salvageable. But we will need everyone to be on their game.
We could conceivably have Dier back? Assuming he's vaccinated (and he appears sensible enough to be so) and hopefully asymptomatic, clear day 6 and 7 LFTs would be enough to see him available for the 2nd leg I think, as long as he is fit enough. Everything crossed on that one.
I hope people don't stay away next week on the back on this result. We need that stadium to be full and loud and rocking from the outset.
But, 0-2 - it's not insurmountable. Hugely difficult but still salvageable. But we will need everyone to be on their game.
We could conceivably have Dier back? Assuming he's vaccinated (and he appears sensible enough to be so) and hopefully asymptomatic, clear day 6 and 7 LFTs would be enough to see him available for the 2nd leg I think, as long as he is fit enough. Everything crossed on that one.
I hope people don't stay away next week on the back on this result. We need that stadium to be full and loud and rocking from the outset.
Mikey10
Jimmy Neighbour
We are nowhere near being better than Chelsea. ‘This kind of thing happens’ far too often when we come up against a really top team (and also against much poorer teams in Europe). Too many of the players aren’t good enough, and too many of them don’t have the right mentality. It’s the same problem that has been apparent for 3+ years now.
tommysvr
Vedran Corluka
Yeah, Son actually moved to the left of PEH and Skipp in the midfield after they scored their second. Should have been Winks for Son/Lucas at that point as it was clear we were just unable to compete in the middle and keep the ball.
But in terms of intensity, can you compare yesterday's effort to the one against Liverpool? We took it to them and I understand Chelsea away is an extremely difficult fixture, the same effort wasn't there imo.
Last edited:
thfcsteff
George Hunt
I think they are two totally different scenarios, tactical set-ups and team selections. In the current system, without Dier we lack a core point of calm distribution from the back. Without Reggie, we lack a specialist LWB. I personally think that whenever Skipp and PEH are together, it leaves us with one real way of playing, and when that is knobbled because your LWB is the RWB who isn't really good enough for us/has shot his confidence bolt, then problems arise. We could not play it out from the back properly plus we were out-matched and pressed hard. It looked like Ndombele's introduction -with a shift in shape- was about to give us the second-half impetus to stage a comeback, but sadly, Tanguy just doesn't look any more up for it than he ever has (which is about 50% of the time).
In fact, with every growing day in the window, I think a Kessie signing is becoming pretty vital. Put simply, we need somebody who can control the pace of the game from deep and distribute with aplomb as well as storm the box sometimes. And I think the future would be Skipp and Kessie. IF we sign him...
Bishop
John Lacy
We didn't lack effort, we lacked quality. Chelsea pressed us and pressured us from the offset never letting us get into any rhythm. So the entire first half was basically played on the backdoor constantly chasing shadows.
If we okay players uncomfortable with the ball at their feet this will happen, add in the extreme pressure and those same players will crumble an make mistakes when on possession. I'm a broken record but we need more players who are comfortable with the ball, better passers, better technicians, because we saw last night that we our workrate can be matched or even outclassed but their superior technique is something we had no match for.
SouthStand322
Kevin-Prince Boateng
I don’t want to steam in on individuals after a poor team performance against a Chelsea side that look way ahead of us, but a few thoughts
tanganga - has looked way off the pace since that opening day against city. His lack of confidence/ability on the ball is a problem.
Doherty - not sure what else there is to say about him.
PEH is getting pelters and he’s not at his best but surely that midfield two needs something else. We have zero penetration in there.
COYS - need a big performance next week and to get the first goal!
tanganga - has looked way off the pace since that opening day against city. His lack of confidence/ability on the ball is a problem.
Doherty - not sure what else there is to say about him.
PEH is getting pelters and he’s not at his best but surely that midfield two needs something else. We have zero penetration in there.
COYS - need a big performance next week and to get the first goal!
Bishop
John Lacy
Tanguy was brought on but a couple of things. One he was played as the 1 rather than in CM. We went through this experiment with Jose, he's not an ACM or at least not a particularly good one. He needs to play deeper, he needs to be receiving lots of the ball. He needs to feel free to express himself.
Which leads into the second point, under Conte he noticibly doesn't even attempt to dribble. Under Poch and Jose he would always control first and then try and wiggle out of trouble. Often successfully but at times with abject failure that would put the defense under immediate pressure. Conte has spoken about him needing to understand how to play in a team manner and I think he has taken that onboard but it's hobbled his game. Without the dribbles he's half the player. He does have good passing but he isn't a pure passer, his passing is aligned to his ability to beat players earn space and then play it. If he's not going to dribble he really is pointless and needs be sold.
Taken all of the above into consideration our control and possession did improve immensely in the 2nd half with his introduction. It took a further level up with the subs of Gil and GLC. The better technical players are what you need in games against teams who also work hard but couple that with extremely high level technical players.
afsoc4life
Vedran Corluka
I didn't watch the game. I will watch the home leg though. The away leg hasn't gone as badly as I expected it to be.
The midfield is completely unsuited to our formation, provides good defensive cover but there's zero creativity in there.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
I think you’re blaming perhaps the 3 least culpable players there…. The times we went long were because the midfield we’re not showing for the ball. From my seat behind the goal it looked clear that it was only really Kane and Moura were constantly trying to show for a pass.
Last edited:
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
It’s not ‘effort’ it is ‘quality’…. When you have 2 of 3 CBs and your 2 CMs not comfortable on the ball against a team of good players playing a very well coached high press it will always go badly.