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Oliver Skipp

glorygloryeze said:
What about the positive impact of giving another player time to bit by bit (via sub appearances) to get used to the system and how he would work with other players in it? Especially if later in the season they may be called upon to do because of injuries or suspensions etc and not doing so 'cold' and getting caught out? Surely better to be eased in through substitute minutes where possible, no?
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You do realise that is the whole point of them training day in day out so that they are ready to play when needed, it's not as if Skipp is going to be completely oblivious to the team tactics and the other players.
5 minutes at the end of a 6-2 thrashing of Leicester is of no benefit to him.
 
camspur said:
You do realise that is the whole point of them training day in day out so that they are ready to play when needed, it's not as if Skipp is going to be completely oblivious to the team tactics and the other players.
5 minutes at the end of a 6-2 thrashing of Leicester is of no benefit to him.
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Training and ACTUALLY PLAYING are two different things. Ask those who make the subs bench week in, week out but never actually play...
5 minutes can make all the difference in terms of easing back into a team (not specifically talking about the last game or even Skipp per se, but a general point about using a squad and easing players back from injury) and it's odd that you are taking a position of it being a totally wrong thing to do when it's been suggested as an option etc
 
camspur said:
You do realise that is the whole point of them training day in day out so that they are ready to play when needed, it's not as if Skipp is going to be completely oblivious to the team tactics and the other players.
5 minutes at the end of a 6-2 thrashing of Leicester is of no benefit to him.
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I agree with you about match fitness, 5 minutes is nothing.

Confidence of the player, though, especially after a long injury? Hugely underrated, it seems.
 
glorygloryeze said:
Training and ACTUALLY PLAYING are two different things. Ask those who make the subs bench week in, week out but never actually play...
5 minutes can make all the difference in terms of easing back into a team (not specifically talking about the last game or even Skipp per se, but a general point about using a squad and easing players back from injury) and it's odd that you are taking a position of it being a totally wrong thing to do when it's been suggested as an option etc
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You ease a player back in to the team returning after injury by giving them 15 minutes not 5, making a substitution 5 minutes from the end of a game is purely for time wasting unless a player is injured.

Now the new rules on substitutions do make it harder to work out who and when to substitute but 5 minutes gives no material benefit to the player coming on.
 
camspur said:
You do realise that is the whole point of them training day in day out so that they are ready to play when needed, it's not as if Skipp is going to be completely oblivious to the team tactics and the other players.
5 minutes at the end of a 6-2 thrashing of Leicester is of no benefit to him.
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there are other things that happen when one gets on the pitch and into the game - a surge of adrenaline and sudden high level of energy that changes the ability for finesse, an unfamiliar atmosphere that disturbs concentration and getting into the zone, competitors already fired up and in overdrive ready to take knocks with you - all these adds up to "nerves" and inhibits one's ability to get into "the flow" where calm and instinct takes over.

so maybe not physical fitness, but even being there helps with mental fitness and experience to deal with oneself.
I'd argue that at the highest level of any game that excellent physicial attributes and skill is a given; however mental strength and dexterity makes the difference between champions, world-class and the rest who make up the supporting cast.
 
metalgear said:
there are other things that happen when one gets on the pitch and into the game - a surge of adrenaline and sudden high level of energy that changes the ability for finesse, an unfamiliar atmosphere that disturbs concentration and getting into the zone, competitors already fired up and in overdrive ready to take knocks with you - all these adds up to "nerves" and inhibits one's ability to get into "the flow" where calm and instinct takes over.

so maybe not physical fitness, but even being there helps with mental fitness and experience to deal with oneself.
I'd argue that at the highest level of any game that excellent physicial attributes and skill is a given; however mental strength and dexterity makes the difference between champions, world-class and the rest who make up the supporting cast.
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Mentality is a huge part of the game, just look at where it took players like Dele Alli. He shot up like a rocket into the stratosphere, and then he surrendered to gravity.
 
metalgear said:
there are other things that happen when one gets on the pitch and into the game - a surge of adrenaline and sudden high level of energy that changes the ability for finesse, an unfamiliar atmosphere that disturbs concentration and getting into the zone, competitors already fired up and in overdrive ready to take knocks with you - all these adds up to "nerves" and inhibits one's ability to get into "the flow" where calm and instinct takes over.

so maybe not physical fitness, but even being there helps with mental fitness and experience to deal with oneself.
I'd argue that at the highest level of any game that excellent physicial attributes and skill is a given; however mental strength and dexterity makes the difference between champions, world-class and the rest who make up the supporting cast.
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Part of why those late stage subs imo doesn't do much is that so many of those things you're mentioning are only there at a limited level.

For a player getting his first minutes at this kind of level there can be a benefit I think. For someone like Skipp, season of PL games behind him, season of Championship football in him. Don't think it makes a difference really.
 
Yep. Thought he did well today considering he hasn’t started in a long while. Good to see someone willing to tackle and move the ball forward. Definitely did enough to keep his name in the frame with Conte.
 
papaspur said:
Mentality is a huge part of the game, just look at where it took players like Dele Alli. He shot up like a rocket into the stratosphere, and then he surrendered to gravity.
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In order for that to make full sense IMO you have to add context to every situation.
 
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