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In fairness, it's hard to imagine that wasn't made clear to him when he was offered the job. And he still took it.

So he didn't move to Chelsea because he wanted to 'build a career, not destroy one.'

Then he goes to Liverpool, and now wants to teach Carroll, Adam, Henderson and Downing to play one-touch tiki-taka possession based wonderball.

There's not much fudging difference there, Brendan.
 
Liverpool probably thought they could get him cheap due to his relationship with Rodgers. We came in with a reasonable wage (about 40k plus bonuses is what I'm hearing), forcing Liverpool to raise their wage offer....which was still slightly below ours.

I don't blame Gylfi for being insulted. According to Lipton, Liverpool's average wage bill was 60k while hours was 44k per week. Why should Gylfi make half the wage of an Adam or Downing? Us offering a fair market wage doesn't make us a Chelsea or City, offering crazy wages to mercenaries - it just shows we weren't stingy ****s trying to screw over a young player.

Of course money matters. It's not everything, but it does show how you value a player in comparison to others in the team. If I were a Liverpool fan, I wouldn't care so much about losing out over Gylfi (in fact I place Gylfi in the "good, not great" category) but I would worry about the way FSG appear to be tightening the belt. While it's sensible, it's a bit unfair on Rodgers, being forced to work with a team not of his own style yet tasked with reaching the top four.

I remember a few months back having arguments on here with people who believed Liverpool had money to spend, all because of what Liverpool spent last summer.
The reality is aren't as well off as everyone thinks they are and they need to reduce their wage bill ala Saudi Sportswashing Machine and start all over again.
 
Actually, I've heard from Swansea forums that Rodgers was really desperate for the top job here, but didn't think that it would be vacated this summer so he went with Liverpool. Hey ho. I like Rodgers, I was impressed by Swansea and their acquisitions but I'm happy with AVB too. More of a gamble, but to dare is to do.

I think Liverpool are relatively well off, but they've made a number of expensive mistakes and are now paying for it. Liverpool have recently penned record deals with sponsors (Warrior) so they're certainly boosting their commercial revenues, but they went and spent too much money last year under Comolli's direction - 75m just for Carroll, Downing, and Henderson! And it doesn't sound like their wage bill decreased all that much either, which is why they're really tightening the belt on incomings.

FSG's sabremetrics approach allows them to buy players at relatively high prices so long as the wages are reasonable and the sell-on value is high (young, English, good stats), just as we did in buying the likes of Bentley and Bent for 32m. However, I don't think they anticipated Commolli and Kenny's crap scouting abilities, the lack of value in English players (and the problems with offloading them), and the general craziness of the RAWK crowd. FSG probably thought they could convince the fans to accept Europa results for a couple years so long as the football was alright and they were doing well financially; and then they could sell them on at a healthy profit. But Liverpool fans aren't aboutto accept that, even though I would argue that 3 of the 4 places are already sewn up thanks to overwhelming resources.

A better model would be Saudi Sportswashing Machine - buying abroad, emphasizing talent and technical ability as much as stats, going for the relatively risky (temperament, poor recent form, injury) for lower fees. It's not like players like Ben Arfa, Cisse, Cabaye were not well-known, but Saudi Sportswashing Machine have been doing a very good job at convincing them to come for pretty low fees and wages, which is where Liverpool are failing. Maybe we can try to pinch Carr back?
 
Opta Sports ‏@OptaJoe
9 - Gylfi Sigurdsson fired in the most free kicks on target in the 2011-12 Premier League. Spurred.

Considering he was only here since January, that's a pretty significant (and impressive) stat IMO
 
Opta Sports ‏@OptaJoe
9 - Gylfi Sigurdsson fired in the most free kicks on target in the 2011-12 Premier League. Spurred.

Considering he was only here since January, that's a pretty significant (and impressive) stat IMO

I'm sure we'll find a way to ruin him. Bale, Jenas, Bentley and VDV were all once 'free-kick specialists' as well!
 
Opta Sports ‏@OptaJoe
9 - Gylfi Sigurdsson fired in the most free kicks on target in the 2011-12 Premier League. Spurred.

Considering he was only here since January, that's a pretty significant (and impressive) stat IMO


Not particularly significant.

It would depend on the free kicks in question, if they all ended up being straight at the keeper then It is not an impressive stat at all.
 
I'm sure we'll find a way to ruin him. Bale, Jenas, Bentley and VDV were all once 'free-kick specialists' as well!

I'm sure we'll actually practise set pieces now. No more terrible outswinging corners and pointless blasts from Kaboul.
 
I think Rafa's set pieces are dangerous looking too. Jenas hit some good free kicks in his time with us. As did Bentley. Bale seems to have lost his free kick magic granted, but I think the main point is it's also about having good attackers of the ball. Often we will stick a ball into a dangerous area but our players strength isn't in attacking the ball.
 
I'm sure we'll actually practise set pieces now. No more terrible outswinging corners and pointless blasts from Kaboul.

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I thought Bentley's set pieces were still very good personally....

He scored a couple of freekicks, a deflected one against Fulham and one off Kirkland's back in the 9-1, but some of his corners were fudging abysmal. Just like every other play er recently (apart from VDV at the back end of last season) he seemed to have an obsession with hitting the first man
 
I think Rafa's set pieces are dangerous looking too. Jenas hit some good free kicks in his time with us. As did Bentley. Bale seems to have lost his free kick magic granted, but I think the main point is it's also about having good attackers of the ball. Often we will stick a ball into a dangerous area but our players strength isn't in attacking the ball.

When he takes inswinging corners/freekicks I would agree, its no coincidence that after finally changing the toss system of outswinging corners attempting to find Bale at the near post every time that got us roughly 2 goals before that we finally looked dangerous from corners.
 
What is wrong with out swinging corners? I always thought in swinging corners would be easier to defend with the ball going TOWARDS the defenders heads
 
What is wrong with out swinging corners? I always thought in swinging corners would be easier to defend with the ball going TOWARDS the defenders heads

They're much more difficult to attack IMO, if you've got the ball going in the same direction you're trying to head it, its much easier to direct. You also end up making contact much further out, increasing the chances of it going off target/ the keeper and defender being able to get something on it. We persisted with them for most of last season and we were consistently brick when using them.
 
but if the ball is going towards your head (outswinging) I imagine you can generate a lot more power, depends on how close the corner is too I suppose. If you can out swing it so it starts almost at the byline then outswings to the edge of the 6 yard box to the penalty spot, it'd be hard yet very inconsistently done i imagine. I wouldn't mind us switching up our corners though and hopefully Sigurdsson or whoever can provide us with a few assists from them.
 
Not particularly significant.

It would depend on the free kicks in question, if they all ended up being straight at the keeper then It is not an impressive stat at all.

If it's on target it has got a chance of going in if it's in row Z it has only got a chance of taking someone out
 
Based on last season's corners I would be delighted if every corner we take next season was inswinging.

Then again, not practicing set pieces in training probably didn't help....
 
Re. free kicks:

Cristiano Ronaldo: Scored 2 out of 54 direct free-kick attempts in La Liga last season - conversion rate of 3.7%
 
Re. free kicks:

Cristiano Ronaldo: Scored 2 out of 54 direct free-kick attempts in La Liga last season - conversion rate of 3.7%


These kind of stats make me wonder if we'd do better to just pass the ball around when we get a free kick instead of going for goal..
 
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