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Nuno Espírito Santo - Sacked

Thanks. Appreciate the detailed reply.

So far how do you see the patterns of attacking play going forward under NES compared to the average/typical methods seen under Jose and Pochettino?
Do you think there is more of an emphasis on targeted attacking (i.e. looking for particular types of chances) or more about numbers of chances (regardless of how 'good' they are or not)?

Hard to typify Poch because to me that was almost two era's, I did think we knew how to press, we were very comfortable in possession, we knew how to use FB's for width, but our final tactic was often "get it to Eriksen"

Jose sometimes played so much to counter the opposition it wasn't about what we did, that said there were a few tactics (vs. patterns if that makes sense), e.g. Kane dropping deep to be provider, Lucas/other playing the more direct #10 role, the Bale +RB dynamic where the RB coming up would leave Bale in space to leverage his passing range or to run into.

Nuno has tactics (e.g. getting the ball out to wide player, especially Bergwijn, using that width, often with FB and wide player creating an overload in an area), but to your point yes I see final third attempts at passing patterns that I don't recall as pronounced previously (some haven't come off, but you see we are trying)
 
I agree, but I also think it's worth pointing out that we did start quite well under Mourinho, and started last season well in terms of results and seemingly mentality/attitude.

Keeping up the positive stuff that goes on in players heads seems harder than getting it right at first. Nuno was given a really difficult situation to start with, all kinds of kudos for doing as well as he has. But what happens over a longer time is the real test.

As you said, small sample size and we will absolutely have bad days at the office and get the usual overreactions.

But, the big difference is Nuno had a much bigger brick show walking in, Jose had been there end of previous season, got Europa, got a lot of players he wanted and Bale had lifted the entire feeling around the club. Nuno got a team who's confidence was shot, multiple players wanting out, the Kane/City drama, none of his incomings in time, Euro/Copa hangover, the third rate European competition, a general bad feeling around the club (anger at Levy/ENIC)

It's amazing what 6 weeks does, I'm quite sure most people thought City were going to fudge us (guy behind be in stadium at half time was commenting he had expected it to be 3-0 by HT) and then buy Kane. Had we lost that game, perhaps lost or drew at Wolves it could have been very ugly very early for Nuno.

It's a long road before we know the answer, but he's done a really important bit, get us off to a good start.
 
As you said, small sample size and we will absolutely have bad days at the office and get the usual overreactions.

But, the big difference is Nuno had a much bigger brick show walking in, Jose had been there end of previous season, got Europa, got a lot of players he wanted and Bale had lifted the entire feeling around the club. Nuno got a team who's confidence was shot, multiple players wanting out, the Kane/City drama, none of his incomings in time, Euro/Copa hangover, the third rate European competition, a general bad feeling around the club (anger at Levy/ENIC)

It's amazing what 6 weeks does, I'm quite sure most people thought City were going to fudge us (guy behind be in stadium at half time was commenting he had expected it to be 3-0 by HT) and then buy Kane. Had we lost that game, perhaps lost or drew at Wolves it could have been very ugly very early for Nuno.

It's a long road before we know the answer, but he's done a really important bit, get us off to a good start.
I hope I will continue to agree with that well into the future.

I think the magnitude of the problems we faced when Mourinho took over gets somewhat overshadowed by the downwards spiral we ended up in under him. Not really looking to rehash that discussion, but a lot of the problems with this squad going into this summer were there when Mourinho took over, and there were several others too.

Kane situation the big difference, dealt with well by the club including Nuno by all accounts. But some of the solutions we had to real problems with the squad had been sorted or at least improved under Mourinho. Hojbjerg, Reguilon coming in, Tanganga breaking through, Skipp getting a very good loan. Not at all saying Mourinho should get the credit for us doing well now, but some of the problems he started off with aren't problems now.

We were somewhat further along the much talked about painful rebuild, that's definitely helped. But then the Kane situation definitely didn't help.
 
I hope I will continue to agree with that well into the future.

I think the magnitude of the problems we faced when Mourinho took over gets somewhat overshadowed by the downwards spiral we ended up in under him. Not really looking to rehash that discussion, but a lot of the problems with this squad going into this summer were there when Mourinho took over, and there were several others too.

Kane situation the big difference, dealt with well by the club including Nuno by all accounts. But some of the solutions we had to real problems with the squad had been sorted or at least improved under Mourinho. Hojbjerg, Reguilon coming in, Tanganga breaking through, Skipp getting a very good loan. Not at all saying Mourinho should get the credit for us doing well now, but some of the problems he started off with aren't problems now.

We were somewhat further along the much talked about painful rebuild, that's definitely helped. But then the Kane situation definitely didn't help.

No rehash needed, but yes the squad has needed a refresh and the trajectory of the club has been drifting downward for a few years.

What makes me hopeful if our club regardless of players doesn't seem to respond well to threatening/disciplinarian types of managers (Ramos, Jose), we seem to do better when the manager creates a nicer/family type atmosphere (Harry, Poch), not sure Nuno is entirely that way but certainly seems focused on creating a group.
 
No rehash needed, but yes the squad has needed a refresh and the trajectory of the club has been drifting downward for a few years.

What makes me hopeful if our club regardless of players doesn't seem to respond well to threatening/disciplinarian types of managers (Ramos, Jose), we seem to do better when the manager creates a nicer/family type atmosphere (Harry, Poch), not sure Nuno is entirely that way but certainly seems focused on creating a group.
He certainly has them working really hard and staying disciplined in their roles defensively. Playing a somewhat unconventional and potentially somewhat risky defensive system every player has played their role really well.

Gotten that bite back defensively, a good mood into the club and the players that have gotten on the pitch at least have looked really fit and ready.

Can't ask for much more at this point, but hopefully we can ask for more and get it going forward.
 
I see Nuno as I see a player... A professional earning lots of money off people who earn less than him. Humble, arrogant, ugly, pretty....just get the job done... Make sure Paratici buys players we use and sell players we don't, and Levy stumps the cash for investment instead of pocketing it. Not going to get sentimental over a coach until he wins us something

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i dont like santo, he's a negative manager that plays "nihilistic" football but this is a results business, for the next 2 weeks, tottenham are the only unbeaten team in the PL and all of europe will see who is top. It won't last of course but I will celebrate this, I am a betting man and a student of football, the 1960's Inter Milan team won half of their games 1-0. I love 1-0 scorelines, and can't really see this happening in this modern day league but football is a simple game, if u dont concede, u dont lose.
And the scum are bottom and in disarray, enjoy the international break lads, COYS

@Mr_B I hope you don't mind me bringing your post from the last match thread here, but can you elaborate as to why you say the first bolded bit? What do you base this on?
 
Cheers @Bedfordspurs

In case anyone wants to read in a different way, i have a version that firewall-proof here: https://archive.is/0Ha42



Tottenham Hotspur in safest of hands with caring and daring Nuno Espírito Santo

Henry Winter
, Chief Football Writer

Tuesday August 31 2021, 12.01am BST, The Times
When Nuno Espírito Santo was eight, his parents sat him and his sister down in their apartment in one of Lisbon’s more difficult districts, and told the children they were considering divorcing. It goes without saying that it was a painful meeting, full of tears and pleas, and fortunately they reconsidered. But it did teach a young Nuno the importance of open dialogue and talking issues through, as well as the precious value of family ties.
It’s a very personal story but Nuno has mentioned it in these pages before, and it is worth retelling as it provides an insight into what makes this singular individual tick.
Nuno’s different. He’s one of the most fascinating head coaches to have worked in this sceptical isle. Once of Wolverhampton Wanderers, now guiding the fortunes of Tottenham Hotspur, Nuno reads extensively, chronicles his thoughts, worries about Brexit restrictions, quotes from Kipling and hates being apart from his wife when she’s working as an interior designer in Porto.

Nuno’s experience of the real world, as well as innate curiosity, helps him to engage with players. Only 47, Nuno’s already lived quite a life. On rare holidays, he refuses to shower after swimming in the sea because the salt on his skin reminds him of growing up in Príncipe, a small island off west Africa.
On moving to Lisbon, he encountered a suburb stained with drugs and racism. Nuno gained perspective, learnt five languages and knows the art of dialogue. He’s a people’s man. Look at Dele Alli at Spurs. Dele’s revitalised. Why? Everybody knows Dele’s the type to respond to an empathetic manager like Karl Robinson, Mauricio Pochettino and now Nuno.
Yet, dating back to his days at Wolves, Nuno also has a reputation for being prickly. That’s partly wariness with the media. During his final days at Molineux before leaving by mutual consent, when Wolves struggled with Raúl Jiménez, who was lost to injury and Diogo Jota, who was lost to Liverpool, the mood was far from upbeat. But staff, players and fans can reflect on finishes of seventh, seventh, and 13th under Nuno in the Premier League, on wins over Manchester United, Chelsea and Liverpool, an FA Cup semi-final and a run to the last eight in the Europa League. He’s a good manager. Wolves had the agent Jorge Mendes sourcing players, but Nuno was the alchemist.
So those who followed his career, and know Nuno’s character and methods, were not surprised at his enlightened influence on Spurs. It’s early days in Nuno’s time there, especially with Chelsea on September 19, but what can already be stated with some conviction is that Nuno has settled in swifter than was expected by those who dismissed the credentials of a coach who was way down the contender list of Daniel Levy, Tottenham’s chairman.
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Son celebrates his winning goal against Watford on Sunday with the revitalised Dele, right, who has responded well to the more empathetic approach of Nuno, Tottenham’s 47-year-old new head coach
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Headlines bubbled with mockery about Spurs taking 72 days to pick a successor to José Mourinho, running the rule over Hansi Flick, Pochettino, Antonio Conte, Paulo Fonseca and Gennaro Gattuso, and being linked to Julian Nagelsmann, Erik ten Hag and Brendan Rodgers before alighting on Nuno, Mourinho’s old Porto goalkeeper. The #notonuno campaign on social media was in full swing but, as they have shown with Harry Kane, Spurs fans give people a chance. Fans’ forums, podcasts and terrace talk held back a final judgment and now enjoy the view from the summit of the table.
That sweet vista may not last long, but it does vindicate Levy’s decision. Not since 1949 and the legendary Arthur Rowe, of “push and run” fame, has a Spurs manager won his first three league games. Nuno is more block and counter but the fact that Spurs supporters understand the Rowe comparison gives him more credence.
On television, experts on the art of team-building and preparation enthuse about how Nuno sets up Spurs so effectively, tightening the defence, and deploying a 4-3-3 system with the forwards frequently narrow. Nuno is, at heart, a defensive coach but Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg, Mourinho’s old anchorman, is now advancing into the opposition half. A central three of Hojbjerg partnered by the industrious Oliver Skipp and reinvigorated Dele looks well balanced.
Here is where Nuno’s man-management skills, deploying dialogue, kick in. The right words at the right time are key, Nuno also being aware of the importance of listening to players. He’s talked to Eric Dier and restored a good centre back’s confidence. He’s worked with Davinson Sánchez and made him believe again. Nuno’s handled the on-off Kane transfer saga with diplomacy, ensuring the striker feels loved and was quickly reassimilated.
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Nuno applauds fans after winning a third successive league match
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Nuno readily admits he is a players’ man and very tactile. Watch his physical reaction after the final whistle, greeting his players one by one, his right hand burrowing into theirs and then embracing them. He cares about players and Spurs players respond to his warmth. It’s worth recalling his work at Wolves. He reacted to Jiménez’s dreadful head injury like a father, not a coach. Nuno’s first discussion with medical staff was about whether Jiménez would return as the same person. The thought of him coming back as the same player was secondary.
He treats his players as human beings. There’s a ruthless side, of course. Joe Hart left for Celtic, a frustrated figure, but few Spurs fans would dispute the decision. Moussa Sissoko was moved on. Nuno prefers to work with a small group. He wished both well. That matters.
Players like and respect Nuno. How can you not admire somebody who donated £250,000 to tackle food poverty during the pandemic? How can you not have regard for somebody privately angered by the PPE crisis, who had sleepless nights during the pandemic, read up on it, watched the news and worried for his relatives back in Portugal, some of whom were affected by Covid? Nuno cares.
 
Tbf i think a lot of credit for a revitalised dele, should go to dele. According to ally gold, in the summer he went to a specialist training camp in dubai. Got himself into top shape for the beginning of preseason.

This. I gave him a lot of stick for his obsession with Fortnite and what I felt was a drift from his focus on football in years past, and I felt Mourinho's admonitions to him to focus on his game, cut out the fancy crap and be simple and effective on the ball were all pieces of good advice.

But, equally, that commitment to head out and get fit on his own time before pre-season showed initiative and promise. And I feel credit should go to him for that.

The best part is, I doubt NES would disagree - in all his interviews, it's always been him giving credit to the players first and foremost. It isn't about him - he gets it, unlike the primadonna that preceded him.
 
Tbf i think a lot of credit for a revitalised dele, should go to dele. According to ally gold, in the summer he went to a specialist training camp in dubai. Got himself into top shape for the beginning of preseason.

The most impressive thing I heard from Dele was when he said his troubles were down to him and no one else. He had an easy ready made excuse in Jose. That's maturity and responsibility that will stand him in good stead.

I really hope he kicks on with us. In the documentary, he seemed like a lad who really loves the club and it seemed like he really thought of Tottenham as home.
 
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