Not that I'm bitter...

[thfcsteff]

I hate having this memory dragged up.
I didn’t have a ticket for the game but went out to Madrid anyway on the Sport Options same day in-out flights. Watched it in a bar near the fan zone but that almost didn’t happen because the bar decided the fans were being too loud so switched off the TVs about 15 mins before kickoff. Luckily (or not) they turned them back on. And after 2 minutes the noise ceased to be an issue anyway.
Wandering the streets after the game killing time before going back to the airport every Liverpool fan I came across was so, so nice and saying our time would come etc etc. Which I kind of appreciated and hated in equal measure - I wanted to be angry at them but they were so sympathetic I couldn’t even be annoyed.
At the airport - and I’ve told this before - it was just mega depressing. Flights delayed. Early hours of the morning so nothing open other than a coffee shop. Then someone got onto the tannoy/microphone and started singing “can’t smile without you” and for one or two minutes it was a brilliant moment of camaraderie with everyone singing together before we all went back to our depression.
Got back home early morning and watched the game that Mr GL had recorded for me before going to bed to get some sleep. Not watched it since or even wanted to.
Later on that year on a flight I was looking for something to watch to pass the last half hour or so before we landed and there was a programe about the Champions League. I watched it up to the semi final then turned it off.
Even thinking about it now makes me very very sad.

Me as well. And angry. The debriefing of the game was not my intention; just expressing anger at a true sliding doors moment...we were probably slumped at the same coffee place that morning :-(

 

[thfcsteff]

I think Poch deserved a trophy, but not the biggest prize in domestic football. He should still be swinging for Anthony Taylor who never dealt with Valencia's thuggery in the Utd semi-final. We probably would have won the cup and definitely been in the final but for that prick.

Why did Pool deserve it? Because they made the right choices. They didn't buy 5-7 players every year. We bought Sissoko and a bunch of others. They bought Mane, Wijhnaldum etc. They run their club way better. We played in that final with Sissoko, Trippier and Winks who had replaced Wanyama, Dembele and Walker. We had regressed from 2017 as shown by our declining league points season after season. Pool were still going north.

I could never build an argument that we deserved to be hailed as the best team in Europe in 2019. Our trophy that season was our amazing stadium. We made the trade-offs that went with that journey. It wasn't our time.

What happened next though was shambolic leadership of a football club by everyone concerned, both previous and current board.

Ah well, I disagree. Would've been a crown for Poch's excellent team (who brought 'gegenpresse' to the Prem before Jurgen).
You know my views on Mane, Winaldjum, recruitment and Poch. I said it then too. We fudged him. That we were in a CL Final with those players was reason more for a level playing field. So yes, we agree on all of thatZ
n.b. I am not a Liverpool hater whatsoever FWIW

 

[Muttley]

Me as well. And angry. The debriefing of the game was not my intention; just expressing anger at a true sliding doors moment...we were probably slumped at the same coffee place that morning :-(

What I don't get here is why you don't feel this anger in almost every game. You barely mention on the pods how PGMOL are actually mathematically taking us down. I work with a Spurs fan who told me today that we should have played a massive part of yesterday's game agaoinst 10 men. You're allowed to create collisions, swing elbows and wrack up 4, 5, 6 yellows nowadays and still be on the pitch to see your side home to a glorious win. I know the stakes in any single game aren't the same as CL final in but they are way bigger if it is what changes are history as we drop into the Championship.

I can barely watch a game with any 2 teams nowadays without getting angry with Howard Webb's lot. They are the scourge of football.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

What I don't get here is why you don't feel this anger in almost every game. You barely mention on the pods how PGMOL are actually mathematically taking us down. I work with a Spurs fan who told me today that we should have played a massive part of yesterday's game agaoinst 10 men. You're allowed to create collisions, swing elbows and wrack up 4, 5, 6 yellows nowadays and still be on the pitch to see your side home to a glorious win. I know the stakes in any single game aren't the same as CL final in but they are way bigger if it is what changes are history as we drop into the Championship.

I can barely watch a game with any 2 teams nowadays without getting angry with Howard Webb's lot. They are the scourge of football.

Well it obviously helps the home team when the away fans are stuck up in the ghods. No chance of the fans bringing any pressure onto the referee (not that it should be down to the fans in any case).
At some point there will be a critical game between either Saudi Sportswashing Machine or Sunderland and another PL team - title challenge, relegation battle, European place etc , and they will have a huge advantage just by having no away fans at pitch side. I know that’s not your beef here - and I 100% support your quest for refereeing justice) - but it is just so, so wrong that the PL countenance this.

 

[thfcsteff]

What I don't get here is why you don't feel this anger in almost every game. You barely mention on the pods how PGMOL are actually mathematically taking us down. I work with a Spurs fan who told me today that we should have played a massive part of yesterday's game agaoinst 10 men. You're allowed to create collisions, swing elbows and wrack up 4, 5, 6 yellows nowadays and still be on the pitch to see your side home to a glorious win. I know the stakes in any single game aren't the same as CL final in but they are way bigger if it is what changes are history as we drop into the Championship.

I can barely watch a game with any 2 teams nowadays without getting angry with Howard Webb's lot. They are the scourge of football.

The reason I don't feel this anger in every game is my health and well-being.
Literally.
For reasons I won't get into here. Stress management has become a huge part of my life, and I make decisions accordingly (one of which was not to go to the Europa League Final last season as much because of the volatility of the fan base - I cannot afford to ride those waves).

I think we absolutely slate the refs on the pod -I certainly do- but again, I cannot afford to chain my life in anger to these clams.
Like our board too; cannot afford to go there.

I don't wander the streets screaming at the sky about June 1st 2019. I came across that specific photo, had an instant rueful chuckle, and posted this thread (so help me).
As I have said many times here, a tiny piece of my Spurs me died that night - the piece which felt we were going to be the side that proved to the world you could win the biggest prize doing it 'right' (indeed, doing it on a shoestring) with chemistry and love. THAT is why THIS specific moment will ALWAYS sit deeper with me than any other. Coupled with the night we sacked him/brought in Fraudinho, it represents the death of a dream. A dream we have only got close to once since -last season with Ange when he actually took us a step further- but by then all the experts and grinders had crushed any remaining joy out of it with their oblique over-analysis and steadfast need to adhere to confirmation biases ('brick teams on the way, not a big trophy, doesn't matter we finished 17th', etc, etc)...hey, if that's an opinion held, who am I to say it's a bricky one? I'm no-one. But I don't want to hear it, I disagree with it, and it shows me where modern football -and some modern football fans- are.

So yes, the PGMOL. Appalling. If Romero did to Brobbey what Brobbey did to Romero first-half, he'd likely have got a red on review, yet some of our OWN SUPPORTERS feel he 'deserves' everything he gets. I heard some people say that the booking he got was a 'reckless challenge' - what utter gonads, it wasn't even a yellow, especially given how that vain prick was 'reffing' yesterday's game! And we had a cavalcade of people almost mocking him for his tears, with some suggesting that it 'wasn't leadership' (this then bled into Poch at the SF, etc)...yeah, I am not down with that chest-beating 'manly man' flimflam, sorry. Not my bag...

Sorry mate, you're getting a general drifting 'rant' in reply to a very specific question (I apologise) but I know how much you care about this club and always enjoy your posts (even if I don't always agree) thus somehow, I feel you'll understand me drifting off piste and airing out...

...back to my candles, incense, lemons and OM hahahahahahahaha...be well.

 

[glasgowspur]

The reason I don't feel this anger in every game is my health and well-being.
Literally.
For reasons I won't get into here. Stress management has become a huge part of my life, and I make decisions accordingly (one of which was not to go to the Europa League Final last season as much because of the volatility of the fan base - I cannot afford to ride those waves).

I think we absolutely slate the refs on the pod -I certainly do- but again, I cannot afford to chain my life in anger to these clams.
Like our board too; cannot afford to go there.

I don't wander the streets screaming at the sky about June 1st 2019. I came across that specific photo, had an instant rueful chuckle, and posted this thread (so help me).
As I have said many times here, a tiny piece of my Spurs me died that night - the piece which felt we were going to be the side that proved to the world you could win the biggest prize doing it 'right' (indeed, doing it on a shoestring) with chemistry and love. THAT is why THIS specific moment will ALWAYS sit deeper with me than any other. Coupled with the night we sacked him/brought in Fraudinho, it represents the death of a dream. A dream we have only got close to once since -last season with Ange when he actually took us a step further- but by then all the experts and grinders had crushed any remaining joy out of it with their oblique over-analysis and steadfast need to adhere to confirmation biases ('brick teams on the way, not a big trophy, doesn't matter we finished 17th', etc, etc)...hey, if that's an opinion held, who am I to say it's a bricky one? I'm no-one. But I don't want to hear it, I disagree with it, and it shows me where modern football -and some modern football fans- are.

So yes, the PGMOL. Appalling. If Romero did to Brobbey what Brobbey did to Romero first-half, he'd likely have got a red on review, yet some of our OWN SUPPORTERS feel he 'deserves' everything he gets. I heard some people say that the booking he got was a 'reckless challenge' - what utter gonads, it wasn't even a yellow, especially given how that vain prick was 'reffing' yesterday's game! And we had a cavalcade of people almost mocking him for his tears, with some suggesting that it 'wasn't leadership' (this then bled into Poch at the SF, etc)...yeah, I am not down with that chest-beating 'manly man' flimflam, sorry. Not my bag...

Sorry mate, you're getting a general drifting 'rant' in reply to a very specific question (I apologise) but I know how much you care about this club and always enjoy your posts (even if I don't always agree) thus somehow, I feel you'll understand me drifting off piste and airing out...

...back to my candles, incense, lemons and OM hahahahahahahaha...be well.

In a normal game Romeros booking is a little bit harsh but if that's where the ref is setting the bar then fair enough.
However, in a game where brobbery has already had a much later challenge go unpunished and sadiki (sp?) has slid into a challenge and caught someone on the knee with his studs without even conceding a foul then I think it's fair to call the ref out as a clam.
VAR steps in a sends a spurs player off for that as a reckless, out of control and endangering tackle.

I have theory on the pen, he's awarded the pen on the first player knowing it's not and that it cancels out all subsequent actions, so no pen for second foul or even a corner. Mad conspiracy, probablybut you begin to wonder.