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Next Spurs Manager v.2

Who do you want?

  • Louis Van Gaal

    Votes: 8 6.6%
  • Mauro Pochettino

    Votes: 9 7.4%
  • Frank de Boer

    Votes: 43 35.5%
  • Roberto Martinez

    Votes: 16 13.2%
  • Carlo Ancelotti

    Votes: 10 8.3%
  • Murat Yakin

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Thomas Tuchel

    Votes: 2 1.7%
  • Rafa Benitez

    Votes: 29 24.0%
  • Someone Else

    Votes: 4 3.3%

  • Total voters
    121
  • Poll closed .
It's not the 1990s. Discipline, work ethic and motivation should all come from the training pitch, not in response to some inane ramblings from the biggest meathead.

Well I think you are displaying your ignorance there then. Because someone is vocal and demands high standards from people he plays with doesn't make him a meathead. I don't think any of our players currently are capable of displaying that mentality fully. Discipline, Work Ethic and motivation should not be restricted to coming just from the training pitch and if they are then you are doomed to fail as these are traits that you cannot switch on and off.

I understand you have a hard on for LvG and accept you love him but that might be your main flaw. I personally dont give a **** who our manager is right now, I just want that person to comply with the sorts of targets I mentioned for me me to be personally 100% happy. If it is LvG then fine but it can be anyone as far as I am concerned.
 
LVG definitely won't do that. He'll be a strong enough personality for the whole squad.

I agree with that definitely.

If anyone can put a 'Ferguson' like fear in his players to bow to his will its VG.

Its made me think. Maybe that's what we've been missing. People talk about us already trying foreign and it not working, but we've not gone proper old school disciplinarian. A manager who has been around the best teams and instilled their philosophy, set in stone. It would have been the same I imagine if we had employed Capello when there was talk of it.

Although the actual philosophy in regard to VG will differ from Capello's, the manner in which they instill it will be the same.

Maybe what AVB tries to do with teams, which is the same kind of thing, a disciplined, rigid philosophy, doesn't work anywhere except Portugal (his home country) because he is seen as a 'kid' on foreign shores and doesn't have, literally, the age and experience, to hold all that together when the going gets tough. With the players, board AND the fans.

I've just spewed all that out. It may be ********.
 
Philosophy is currently the most featured word in this forum right now and rightly so. AVB tried to create an identity for the team but it became a case of good in possession but unable to break down the opposition. In the league right now I would say 5-6 of the top 9 have a recognisable style with only us, Saudi Sportswashing Machine and arguably UTD (they cross and cross and cross I guess) without. I want to see our team play with a game plan, with a pattern of play and not the current cluelessness it seems to have.
 
It's not the 1990s. Discipline, work ethic and motivation should all come from the training pitch, not in response to some inane ramblings from the biggest meathead.

i disagree 100% - you don't have to be a meathead to inspire and lead and drive your team forward.

look at the teams above them and who their go to players are - the leaders, those that will bring the team through by the scruff of the neck through sheer force of personality and or ability. This is what we lack. I really think LVG will bring in someone like that - you would love someone like DeJong in the middle of the park.

Chelsea obviously have Terry, Lampard, Cech (though quiet a big personality)
Liverpool have Stevie G, Suarez,
Emirates Marketing Project have Toure, Zabeleta,
Arsenal have Mertesacker, I think Arteta as well does a decent job in that department
etc etc you get my point.

Last season we were brought through by ability of Gareth Bale.

Do you remember the impact that Davids had on our team when he was brought in?

This year Ade is trying to do a decent job but it isn't enough...
 
My concern with Van Gaal is something like the following scenario happening:

First half of first season: We're inconsistent at the start of the year trying to implement a new style, but get some big wins as the season goes on. Members of the squad speak out in the media about how disciplined things are, how Van Gaal is a true "winner", and how it's what we've needed all along.

Second half of first season: We start threatening to do something really great, as we push on in the league and in the cups. But then we hit a poor run of form, the media start to question Van Gaal and his methods. Rumours emerge of dressing room bust-ups. He takes it personally with the British media and lashes out at them, exacerbating the situation. We have a good end to the season but narrowly miss out on the Champions League again.

Second summer: Van Gaal demands major investment in the team over the summer, claiming lots of players aren't good enough of don't have the right attitude. Levy obviously doesn't give him what he wants. Tensions start to rise in the boardroom. We sign a few cheaper targets.

Second season: We start the season in good form, with people claiming that we're in the title race and that Van Gaal is the man to lead us there. But we suffer a poor run of form. Van Gaal gets particularly frustrated at players he wanted replaced, or new signings that weren't good enough that he either didn't want at all but Baldini signed them or because they're cheap versions of players he actually wanted. His temper boiling over in team meetings gets too much and his relationship with several players fractures. He then makes a point of leaving a star player out of a big game, which we then lose. At this point, his contract is terminated by "mutual consent". We start all over again...
 
Also on the topic of "disciplinarian" managers, it CAN work extremely well. But the manager has to be charismatic and good at building relationships with players as well as just a hard-ass. We all had that teacher in school who scared the **** out of you and nobody ****ed with him. You also had the one that was a prick and people enjoyed winding them up. It's a fine balance. Ask Saudi Sportswashing Machine what it was like having Graeme Souness or Joe Kinnear as managers. Even Mourinho went too far in his last year at Real Madrid, ****ing off more players than he could afford to do, that final season was a disaster as a result.

Ferguson's book makes quite interesting reading on how he relied on members of his squad to also whip people into shape. If all you ever do is scream and shout at somebody then they won't enjoy their football and they won't enjoy playing for you. So he was always keen to have big personalities in the squad, people like Roy Keane, Bryan Robson, Eric Cantona, Nemanja Vidic etc, so that if a player wasn't pulling his weight he knew they'd have to answer to their team mates. That kind of team spirit invoked a very high standard within the club. Sherwood's point this week has been about how our team are too nice. When things go wrong, they just drop their heads. Having your boss screaming at you can kick you up the backside and inspire you to great things, but if it happens every week eventually you'd get sick of his ****, the motivation sometimes needs to come from somewhere else.

I think Harry actually had the right idea. I remember him saying our squad was a very quiet bunch when he first joined. So he brought in players like Parker, Gallas, Van Der Vaart, Adebayor, Friedel and Gudjohnsen who would inspire drive and motivation to the rest of the squad, as well as bringing in Joe Jordan to shout at players so that he could play good cop more often himself. That gave us two key benefits. Firstly, our mental strength in a game was far stronger than it had ever been before (going 2-0 down at the Emirates usually means certain defeat, not coming back to win 3-2 in the second half). But more importantly, players were inspired to work harder, to train harder, to better themselves. Don't just look at the breakthroughs of Bale and Modric, players who had been at Spurs for years like Dawson, Lennon, Huddlestone, Defoe and Assou-Ekotto played the best football of their careers in that period. To me, that's the most key thing I want a manager to have when he comes in - the ability to get existing players to play better.

I can't remember which of our players it was (think it was Kaboul), who said that playing under Ramos was like being in the army and that the atmosphere was tense around the club. Perhaps the virtue of being a big name manager who's won it all before will work in Van Gaal's favour if he tries to play tough with the players. I'm sure Ferguson didn't get told he was doing it wrong by manager of his players in his latter years. Whereas when AVB went to Chelsea and tried to play tough with them, there was a revolt against him because they thought of him as some geeky scout who didn't know what he was talking about. It's a very fine line between showing the players who's boss and ****ing them off. Because like it or not, player power exists. They are the ones who will or won't get the results on the pitch. They need to be happy, in a good frame of mind. I do have a concern about Van Gaal in that regard, he's fallen out with a fair few players in the past including Ribery who was his best player at Bayern. Remains to be seen what our boys who "lack character" as Sherwood said, will think of him.
 
Also on the topic of "disciplinarian" managers, it CAN work extremely well. But the manager has to be charismatic and good at building relationships with players as well as just a hard-ass. We all had that teacher in school who scared the **** out of you and nobody ****ed with him. You also had the one that was a prick and people enjoyed winding them up. It's a fine balance. Ask Saudi Sportswashing Machine what it was like having Graeme Souness or Joe Kinnear as managers. Even Mourinho went too far in his last year at Real Madrid, ****ing off more players than he could afford to do, that final season was a disaster as a result.

Ferguson's book makes quite interesting reading on how he relied on members of his squad to also whip people into shape. If all you ever do is scream and shout at somebody then they won't enjoy their football and they won't enjoy playing for you. So he was always keen to have big personalities in the squad, people like Roy Keane, Bryan Robson, Eric Cantona, Nemanja Vidic etc, so that if a player wasn't pulling his weight he knew they'd have to answer to their team mates. That kind of team spirit invoked a very high standard within the club. Sherwood's point this week has been about how our team are too nice. When things go wrong, they just drop their heads. Having your boss screaming at you can kick you up the backside and inspire you to great things, but if it happens every week eventually you'd get sick of his ****, the motivation sometimes needs to come from somewhere else.

I think Harry actually had the right idea. I remember him saying our squad was a very quiet bunch when he first joined. So he brought in players like Parker, Gallas, Van Der Vaart, Adebayor, Friedel and Gudjohnsen who would inspire drive and motivation to the rest of the squad, as well as bringing in Joe Jordan to shout at players so that he could play good cop more often himself. That gave us two key benefits. Firstly, our mental strength in a game was far stronger than it had ever been before (going 2-0 down at the Emirates usually means certain defeat, not coming back to win 3-2 in the second half). But more importantly, players were inspired to work harder, to train harder, to better themselves. Don't just look at the breakthroughs of Bale and Modric, players who had been at Spurs for years like Dawson, Lennon, Huddlestone, Defoe and Assou-Ekotto played the best football of their careers in that period. To me, that's the most key thing I want a manager to have when he comes in - the ability to get existing players to play better.

I can't remember which of our players it was (think it was Kaboul), who said that playing under Ramos was like being in the army and that the atmosphere was tense around the club. Perhaps the virtue of being a big name manager who's won it all before will work in Van Gaal's favour if he tries to play tough with the players. I'm sure Ferguson didn't get told he was doing it wrong by manager of his players in his latter years. Whereas when AVB went to Chelsea and tried to play tough with them, there was a revolt against him because they thought of him as some geeky scout who didn't know what he was talking about. It's a very fine line between showing the players who's boss and ****ing them off. Because like it or not, player power exists. They are the ones who will or won't get the results on the pitch. They need to be happy, in a good frame of mind. I do have a concern about Van Gaal in that regard, he's fallen out with a fair few players in the past including Ribery who was his best player at Bayern. Remains to be seen what our boys who "lack character" as Sherwood said, will think of him.

it was BAE who said the army comment. but hes a lazy worthless passenger **** off course he was happy to have Ramos leave

im not worried about our players rejecting LVGs methods. players have done in the past but they were stars. we have no stars
 
Tor Kristian Karlsen just tweeted that Spalletti has been given the sack at Zenit and spoke very highly of him. Was saying how he is an expert on gettibg the best out of a given group of players... I really don't know too much about him, can anyone elaborate on him?
 
Tor Kristian Karlsen just tweeted that Spalletti has been given the sack at Zenit and spoke very highly of him. Was saying how he is an expert on gettibg the best out of a given group of players... I really don't know too much about him, can anyone elaborate on him?

Spaletti did a great job with Roma and has done well in Russia too. He invented the famed 4-6-0 formation that Ferguson later copied after it was used against him. He was rumoured to be Baldini's favoured choice for our job back in December, but that was maybe just lazy because he's Italian.

Spaletti is a very good coach and would hold his own in a pool with LVG, Prandelli and FDB.
 
Tor Kristian Karlsen just tweeted that Spalletti has been given the sack at Zenit and spoke very highly of him. Was saying how he is an expert on gettibg the best out of a given group of players... I really don't know too much about him, can anyone elaborate on him?

He came to fame at Roma where won back to back Coppa Italia trophies with the false 9 system which was said to be very entertaining. He lost a bit of respect after they got spanked 7-1 at Old Trafford.

Surprised Zenit let him go, done a good job there winning two League titles.
 
Tor Kristian Karlsen just tweeted that Spalletti has been given the sack at Zenit and spoke very highly of him. Was saying how he is an expert on gettibg the best out of a given group of players... I really don't know too much about him, can anyone elaborate on him?

What was the reason given for sacking him? Poor results?
 
anyone foreign eh GB.

I'd be willing to give Hughton a go actually. Although I suppose technically he's Irish...

Show me a progressive, tactically-able English coach and I'll champion him to the hilt.

Sadly Hoddle was the last one of those this country produced (following on quickly from Robson and Venables). Hodgson isn't far off, but never quite got there.

Until we're developing much more capable coaches, wanting an English coach is a bit like wanting a one-legged striker.
 
When choosing between a promising, but relatively unknown coach and someone with a reasonably successful playing career, a lot of clubs go for the latter. I'm sure there are lots of good coaches in England that never really get a break.
 
What was the reason given for sacking him? Poor results?

I'm not sure. There was talk when we were linked with him in December that both parties had felt things had run its natural course and a fresh challenge/perspective was needed for both him and the club - 5 years is a very long spell in charge these days.

I think Zenit have been reigning in their spending quite a bit recently (offering Hulk on loan to get him off the wage bill etc), so it could all be part of that reduction - doing an Anzhi but a bit more controlled.

He's already being linked with our job anyway: http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014...hs-availability-attract-west-brom-and-others/
 
When choosing between a promising, but relatively unknown coach and someone with a reasonably successful playing career, a lot of clubs go for the latter. I'm sure there are lots of good coaches in England that never really get a break.

More need to go abroad and upskill themselves - like Hodgson and McClaren did.
 
I'd be willing to give Hughton a go actually. Although I suppose technically he's Irish...

Show me a progressive, tactically-able English coach and I'll champion him to the hilt.

Sadly Hoddle was the last one of those this country produced (following on quickly from Robson and Venables). Hodgson isn't far off, but never quite got there.

Until we're developing much more capable coaches, wanting an English coach is a bit like wanting a one-legged striker.

Hughton can bore off with his tactics........someone like Eddie Howe should be given a chance at a higher level. Young, intelligent, his teams play a continental type game with good passing and clever movement.
 
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