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Next Manager?

DTA said:
It may or may not be special (the level of World wide interest it generates suggest it may be). But it is different and present its own unique challenges.
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I think the variation between teams is far greater than that between leagues.

The diffence between City and an Allardyce team is pretty much night and day.
 
MKSpur said:
The thing I’m struggling with is whilst I try not to pay too much attention to media reports without quotes there were several links to other candidates pre a DoF.

I guess it’s possible that we managed to have a secret agreement in principle with Patirici before the Conte link, that we always planned to get a DoF before we hired a manager and many of the other links were tentative enquiries to disguise the fact we had been talking to Fonseca throughout the process.

I know we’ll never be privy to the real goings on internally and whilst it may be that this works out to be the best choice for us, the time it has taken to be linked with let alone announce these potential two appointments makes me think it wasn’t the original plan at all.

On a side note is it me or does it always feel that any announcement from us is always after it’s been widely reported, or is that just the way of the world that there is so much opportunity to share information and rumour nowadays that no one can keep a secret?!
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This piece by Alasdair Gold touches on some of your points (although pinch of salt and all that). He says that we moved to a DoF model after we were unable to get Poch, and the implication, although not explicitly stated, is that Patrici was onboard first before the Conte talks. From this, and a post by Jack Pitts-Brooke yesterday, we had spoken to Fonseca early on, and Patrici later put him to the top of the list after Conte.

https://www.football.london/tottenh...latest-20781679.amp?__twitter_impression=true
 
Mr Gogolak said:
Evidently, but what happens if he goes 4-5 games without a win, early in his tenure? Usually, the fans to be forgiving with a new manager... unless they're very upset before a ball has been kicked. I'm sure the owners couldn't care less about the milk cows/fans, as long as they keep buying their season tickets and their Kane shirts. Also, a couple of quality signings and all will be forgiven.

But if Fonseca's reign starts slowly, letting people dream about a Pochettino return is going to bite them in the arse. Nobody cares about the fans but I don't think Levy likes bad press either and if people turn on the team after a couple of dodgy performances, there will be plenty of that.

It's a bit of a cliché but he should have hoped for the best and prepared for the worse. Saying straight away that we wouldn't get Pochettino might have lowered some people's expectations and it wouldn't have cost a penny. In any case, it doesn't really matter now. What's done is done. We'll see in a couple of months whether fans have a long or short memory...
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Don't get me wrong, I would have dearly loved the club not to pump those Poch leaks for all they were worth. I think the story there was less that the club didn't deny it and more they were the ones pumping it in the first place.

As you say, what's done is done. At the end of the day, if we're worried that Fons might have a poor run to start and is fundamentally incapable of turning it around, we shouldn't hire him. If he gets results, it will be fine. If he doesn't, he'll be gone. Same as any other manager. I don't think Fons is different from Jose or Poch or anyone else in that respect, regardless of what the fans thought about them when they joined.
 
Mr Gogolak said:
The biggest mistake the club made was not denying the Pochettino links as soon as they surfaced. In some people's mind, very few managers can withstand the comparison with him, let alone someone like Fonseca. Getting people's up so high, it was always going to end in tears.

I have zero opinion about him, haven't watched Serie A in a long time so he starts with a clean slate. He could be the new Villas Boas or the new Pochettino. We'll have to wait and see what kind of tools he's given and how far he goes. There's no point in being angry at this stage - I'm sure there will be plenty of reasons later on!

Personally, I wanted the guy from Dortmund and I voted Ten Hag but I don't mind him. Twitter never disappoints though: 'He's a yes man. I don't know anything about him.' What kind of a jackass writes something like that? If you don't know anything about him, how do you know he's a yes man. The world really is in a sad state...
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Spot on. This guy comes with a clean slate/ no baggage, from previous PL clubs at least. I'll judge him on the team's performance over time.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
In a sense, I agree with @Raziel ’s points on this. I don’t think the club really cares whether the fans think Fonseca is good in the fans eyes compared to Poch or not. I think they’ve made the right decision for them, and if Fons wins 4-5 games in a row early into his tenure, the fans move on.

I’m also firming up in my belief that the Poch links were very suspicious and served some other purpose.
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The poch links was us making moves to smooth over his eventual return. He was using it as leverage.
Conte baffles me, on our part and his. Why anyone would think either of us are seriously interested in each other is a mystery to me.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
Don't get me wrong, I would have dearly loved the club not to pump those Poch leaks for all they were worth. I think the story there was less that the club didn't deny it and more they were the ones pumping it in the first place.

As you say, what's done is done. At the end of the day, if we're worried that Fons might have a poor run to start and is fundamentally incapable of turning it around, we shouldn't hire him. If he gets results, it will be fine. If he doesn't, he'll be gone. Same as any other manager. I don't think Fons is different from Jose or Poch or anyone else in that respect, regardless of what the fans thought about them when they joined.
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What do you actually think "pump" means? I've seen you use the term so often and am still none the wiser in terms of notable actions, like things that have actually happened. In real life. Reality.
 
spurspinter1 said:
What do you actually think "pump" means? I've seen you use the term so often and am still none the wiser in terms of notable actions, like things that have actually happened. In real life. Reality.
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In real life, in reality, clubs, like other institutions will leak things to certain friendly journalists to shape a narrative or perception of said institution. I think near enough all of the POCH WANTS TO COME HOME! stories were coming from our end, from journalists connected to the club. Now, either we were trying to be a budget version of Real Madrid, trying to kick our PR machine into gear in the hopes of putting pressure on PSG (in which case it was an amateurish effort that fizzled rather quickly) or we were doing it for some other reason, or someone was just stupid and didn't think through the consequences.

I just find it pretty astounding we were apparently so super close to signing both Poch and Conte, when neither of those moves made much sense for them. At the very least, I think it is pretty clear the club were leaking that things looked closer than they actually were, and I'll always be suspicious of why they were doing it.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
In real life, in reality, clubs, like other institutions will leak things to certain friendly journalists to shape a narrative or perception of said institution. I think near enough all of the POCH WANTS TO COME HOME! stories were coming from our end, from journalists connected to the club. Now, either we were trying to be a budget version of Real Madrid, trying to kick our PR machine into gear in the hopes of putting pressure on PSG (in which case it was an amateurish effort that fizzled rather quickly) or we were doing it for some other reason, or someone was just stupid and didn't think through the consequences.

I just find it pretty astounding we were apparently so super close to signing both Poch and Conte, when neither of those moves made much sense for them. At the very least, I think it is pretty clear the club were leaking that things looked closer than they actually were, and I'll always be suspicious of why they were doing it.
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It's just that you're shouting about taken onboard about flimflam stories in the media, I really don't get it, like at all.

For what it's worth, we shouldn't want someone who'd be so desperate to come back "home" after such a short space of time after beginning a new endeavour. I do believe that Poch himself holds himself to higher standards than this, whether you continuously claim that it has been "pumped" or not.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
This piece by Alasdair Gold touches on some of your points (although pinch of salt and all that). He says that we moved to a DoF model after we were unable to get Poch, and the implication, although not explicitly stated, is that Patrici was onboard first before the Conte talks. From this, and a post by Jack Pitts-Brooke yesterday, we had spoken to Fonseca early on, and Patrici later put him to the top of the list after Conte.

https://www.football.london/tottenh...latest-20781679.amp?__twitter_impression=true
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Thats a good article, worth reading especially the bits about relationships with players and his time at Roma (5th first season, 3rd this season til injuries hit and they were contending with EL fixtures at the same time)
 
SouthStand322 said:
I think the 'young players' he will be expected to work with are the likes of Rodon, Tanganga, Reguilon, Sessegnon, Skipp, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Bergwin, sanchez. All these players are 24 or under and will form the core of the squad for the next couple of years. Hojberg and Alli are only 25. I also expect us to push to sell a couple of older players this summer (Lamela, Sissoko) and try and sign a younger centre half or other young talents from Europe (anderson from Fulham is one example).

All in all i can't feel anything other than disappointed in the appointment, if it happens. It feels like a massive risk!
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If that is the case and the young players we're referring to are first-teamers like Reguilon, Ndombele, Lo Celso et al...Mourinho was already a manager who 'worked with young players', since he played them all, no?
 
Bedfordspurs said:
He is inferring club created and pushed the leaks
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The other possibility is that Alasdair Gold of Football.London and Dan Kilpatrick of the Evening Standard have contacts all over the footballing world but only use them to put out Spurs news first.

It's obvious the club leaks to certain club reporters.
 
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