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Next Manager?

milo said:
I think that Mourinho has lost a lot of players for a while, so he was putting out teams with players who had wanted him gone for sometime. I think that it probably reached a tipping point after Zagreb, Levy had given it a chance to repair and then pulled the plug when it was clear that it wouldn't.

Kane is an excellent footballer. I think that Mourinho would do very well with a team with 11 Harry Kanes but there aren't 11 Harry Kanes and he had shown himself incapable of getting more than the sum of its parts from what he had. He's yesterday's man and that had been clear for a long time. I think that Kane has shown that he isn't very perceptive.
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That's just a sensational reach to say Kane isn't very perceptive, and that's the reason he liked Jose. Kane has played under top managers at international and club level. He knows what it takes to win matches. He's clearly someone who sets the standard for the rest of the team. If he thought the standards were slipping at the club and that was the result of the manager, he would not be happy.

I think Jose's methods are about encouraging personal responsibility. I think they work with players who have more of Kane's mentality.

I am though just fascinated by what happened in our club January onwards. Because we were top, the methods seemed to be working. It's so a moot point now but I do wonder if the whole Christmas party thing had Jose really explode onto the players, particularly after he tried to be good to them and bought Reguillon that ham. To someone who is all about personal responsibility to see players go against that ideal probably infuriated him. It was either that, or the collapse at Liverpool for me. Because we should have won that game and pulled clear in 1st. Again, missed chances, silly mistakes, but tactically we had it spot on in that game.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
That's just a sensational reach to say Kane isn't very perceptive, and that's the reason he liked Jose. Kane has played under top managers at international and club level. He knows what it takes to win matches. He's clearly someone who sets the standard for the rest of the team. If he thought the standards were slipping at the club and that was the result of the manager, he would not be happy.

I think Jose's methods are about encouraging personal responsibility. I think they work with players who have more of Kane's mentality.

I am though just fascinated by what happened in our club January onwards. Because we were top, the methods seemed to be working. It's so a moot point now but I do wonder if the whole Christmas party thing had Jose really explode onto the players, particularly after he tried to be good to them and bought Reguillon that ham. To someone who is all about personal responsibility to see players go against that ideal probably infuriated him. It was either that, or the collapse at Liverpool for me. Because we should have won that game and pulled clear in 1st. Again, missed chances, silly mistakes, but tactically we had it spot on in that game.
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I think teams just worked out our one and only tactic. Once the opposition realised that they needed to pick up Kane in our own half even when they were in possession of the football we had lost or main attacking weapon.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
I don't think Jose gets employed if his fitness methods are so poor. I think what is more likely is:

He gears his squad to be fit enough for the style of football he plays. This has a benefit of fewer injuries and the lower likelihood of burn out in performance towards the end of the season.

He tends to leave clubs who then employ more proactive, pressing managers, who of course are going to use the easy Jose reason as to why they won't initially sustain excellent results. And it is probably true, you probably do need a pre-season to gear yourself into the style of football you want to play for the next year.

I just think the Jose fitness thing is a bit of a misnomer. He worked on N'Dombele's fitness for example because it needed to get to a certain level. I think the reason we conceded late goals was more because we are fine when pushing to score (and Jose's system had us attacking when drawing, particularly against inferior teams) and defending when winning. We didn't have good box defenders, we had players more suited to a high line. So we're able to squeeze the pitch and get ahead, but not hold on. Jose's point after Saudi Sportswashing Machine (that we aren't outnumbered tactically for their last goal, we just lost concentration) I think is a good point.

If Jose had better defenders more suited to him I think he has more success with us. I think Dier may have worked but he's missed so much football that he needs to get back into the swing of things. Rodon too inexperienced. Toby and Sanchez more suited to possession teams.
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The late goals tend to indicate a fitness issue, tired = less concentration

He played Dier & Sanchez too much, played Doherty too much, too many CB partnerships, stuck with wide players who didn't do enough to protect the wide areas.

Sure, add Dias to Jose's squad and we would have walked 4th, doesn't mean we were getting the most out of the team

He was almost there but in the end, it was on him to figure out the way to use the squad better and not get outplayed by brick squads in the league.
 
Lilbaz said:
I said before. The rumour was that mourinho and levy had a bust up. Mourinho wanted to play a weakened side against southampton. So we could play a fresh team against city. Levy thought we still had a chance for top 4 so wanted a strong team against southampton. Mourinho told levy that's why spurs don't win trophies.
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If true, that's symptomatic of the way our club has been for the last few years (and maybe more).
Sigh...
 
Finney Is Back said:
I think teams just worked out our one and only tactic. Once the opposition realised that they needed to pick up Kane in our own half even when they were in possession of the football we had lost or main attacking weapon.
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Not saying it was realistic, but I think if you put say VVD and one other at CB, and have a worse player than Son in attack, I think we get far better results. I think a lot of the problem would come down to the fact we weren't able to win the ball well enough in the low block and weren't able to spring the counter.

Leicester ran the same play all season they won it - literally had to pick up Vardy and Mahrez - but no one could stop it. I think the counter works like any system if you have the players for it.

I also don't think Jose's system was purely counter. It was when we were against another top 6 side or when winning, but if we were losing or drawing against a team we expected to beat he would allow players to flood forward and gave them a lot of freedom to construct the attacks. Problem was I just don't think any of Dier, Sanchez or Rodon performed well enough in a low block to make his system work.
 
Raziel said:
The late goals tend to indicate a fitness issue, tired = less concentration

He played Dier & Sanchez too much, played Doherty too much, too many CB partnerships, stuck with wide players who didn't do enough to protect the wide areas.

Sure, add Dias to Jose's squad and we would have walked 4th, doesn't mean we were getting the most out of the team

He was almost there but in the end, it was on him to figure out the way to use the squad better and not get outplayed by brick squads in the league.
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Same points as I made to Finney above, I'm not sure you can definitively say it was a fitness issue. I think any squad is geared to be fit enough to play the style of football they need to play, and there are inherent trade offs (either in terms of buy-in from the squad, or injury prevention, or burn out) that come with the different approaches.

Add Dias and remove Son for regular Bergwijn starts and I think we walk 4th. And I think that would be considered a job well done. All pie in the sky now anyway, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Jose do much better back in Italy with players who are better in a low block.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Where else is he going to go? And he's said he wants to get straight back into the game/not take a break
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Ah, didn't know that. Thought he was the one who pulled the plug on Real Madrid - I don't really follow football outside of Spurs too closely. :p
 
With Nuno off to Palace and Potter looking like heading to Everton, the shadows of Martinez and Southgate grow larger.

Hopefully our new DOF has got a rabbit in his hat, or a manager.
 
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