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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

Levy likes plans. Remember when he set out his long term plan: a new state of the art training ground, gradual improvement in the team and a new stadium. How many of us took it completely seriously. He has delivered on all and probably better than anyone reasonably expected. He has the perfect manager for his plan and will surely do whatever he reasonably can to keep him on board. The question is whether Levy's generally conservative (as in low risk) planning and Poch's ambitions (very high, so high) have a suitable meeting point.

I suspect they do, but we can never be sure. I think Poch would rather become a Wenger or Ferguson than a Mourinho. It's rather fortunate that the one superclub who might buy his long-term approach is the one he has ruled out.
 
There should be tremendous amounts of money there for players in future as long we keep getting in the top 4.

Look at the incredible revenue levels we are now hitting and the profit that helped create. We will make close to £100m for this seasons CL run alone.

And the way the stadium repayments will be done means we dont have to just hand that over obviously.

In the world of finance can we do a deal that will allow say £25m to be repaid over something like 30 years for the stadium? Thats £750m in total and in the modern game we wouldnt even notice the difference every year.

Would also mean we can bank the inevitable monumental naming rights deal levy will eventually get - look at all the different sporting events already and rumours we could be anthony joshua’s future uk home. Levy will get his £450m over 20 years, just a matter of time. Already we are hearing the stadium is pulling in insane numbers in food and drink sales alone.

All adds up to me that immediately from this summer there should be significant funds available. Will obviously vary season after season depending in part on CL qualification and how far we go in the CL (and also on when the naming rights deal is done and whether we bank that or pay it to the banks) but I wouldnt be surprised if rumours of £150m plus for this summer, before player sales, to be close to the mark.
 
jts1882 said:
Levy likes plans. Remember when he set out his long term plan: a new state of the art training ground, gradual improvement in the team and a new stadium. How many of us took it completely seriously. He has delivered on all and probably better than anyone reasonably expected. He has the perfect manager for his plan and will surely do whatever he reasonably can to keep him on board. The question is whether Levy's generally conservative (as in low risk) planning and Poch's ambitions (very high, so high) have a suitable meeting point.

I suspect they do, but we can never be sure. I think Poch would rather become a Wenger or Ferguson than a Mourinho. It's rather fortunate that the one superclub who might buy his long-term approach is the one he has ruled out.
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When designing and building the stadium, Levy’s mantra was - according to the chief architect - “can we do it better?”.

I believe and hope he’ll apply the same standards to plans for the on-field regeneration.

He is a very, very smart man. He knows better than anyone what we’ve got in Poch.
 
parklane1 said:
I normally like a lot of your posts mate ( honestly) but ( imo) i think you are jumping to conclusions without any real proof in this instance. I think he wants another plan of course he does, he has mentioned on many occasions the " 5 year plan" he came here under and now he is wanting to know what he next " 5 year plan" entails.

And i see no hint of being unhappy or demanding anything in any of the interviews he has given over the last few weeks.
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I agree, I’m not saying he is unhappy - just speculating a little as to why he keeps raising little hints about not staying (even if he’s not serious about it). I don’t know, none of us do no matter how much some like to think they know exactly what Poch really means every time he speaks - he is a complex human:D. Once he’s got his hands on the CL trophy in a few weeks will look forward to seeing what the next chapter is....
 
harr1984 said:
I agree, I’m not saying he is unhappy - just speculating a little as to why he keeps raising little hints about not staying (even if he’s not serious about it). I don’t know, none of us do no matter how much some like to think they know exactly what Poch really means every time he speaks - he is a complex human:D. Once he’s got his hands on the CL trophy in a few weeks will look forward to seeing what the next chapter is....
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Amen to that brother.
 
I think this is all fair enough from Poch. He wanted this last summer but clearly it didn’t happen so he is saying it again with extra pressure. Whether Levy will grant him what he wants is open to debate, if it involves money I’m sceptical. Poch isn’t being clear in exactly what he wants.
 
I think Poch knows his hand is a almost as strong as it will ever be. What has already been delivered considering our budget, the extenuating circumstances of our home ground and notwithstanding the risk we were taking, we’ve had some terrible luck with injuries. We’ve also had some coin flip moments that because of the nature of the sport now really have made the difference between the season being viewed as a success or not, the last minute pen save against the Goons, Ajax hitting the post in each leg in the CL.

I think he wants to secure assurances of one or both of a level investment and a different approach to transfers, whether it’s getting deals done earlier, paying more than market rate for first choices, increasing the wage structure, a new scouting team or whatever. Even if Levy signs off 200m as available, if the wages are capped low or the max for any individual is 45m or they have to be under 25 I think Poch has earned the right to ask for some more flexibility in the approach. Otherwise sustaining the over achievements of the last few seasons will become more difficult and scrapping for 4th where 5th is seen as a disaster will be less attractive to a manager who can can pick and choose his next job in world football.
 
MKSpur said:
I think Poch knows his hand is a almost as strong as it will ever be. What has already been delivered considering our budget, the extenuating circumstances of our home ground and notwithstanding the risk we were taking, we’ve had some terrible luck with injuries. We’ve also had some coin flip moments that because of the nature of the sport now really have made the difference between the season being viewed as a success or not, the last minute pen save against the Goons, Ajax hitting the post in each leg in the CL.

I think he wants to secure assurances of one or both of a level investment and a different approach to transfers, whether it’s getting deals done earlier, paying more than market rate for first choices, increasing the wage structure, a new scouting team or whatever. Even if Levy signs off 200m as available, if the wages are capped low or the max for any individual is 45m or they have to be under 25 I think Poch has earned the right to ask for some more flexibility in the approach. Otherwise sustaining the over achievements of the last few seasons will become more difficult and scrapping for 4th where 5th is seen as a disaster will be less attractive to a manager who can can pick and choose his next job in world football.
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I think that Poch's comments are so vague that people are able to project their own views onto them, no matter what they are.
 
harr1984 said:
I agree, I’m not saying he is unhappy - just speculating a little as to why he keeps raising little hints about not staying (even if he’s not serious about it). I don’t know, none of us do no matter how much some like to think they know exactly what Poch really means every time he speaks - he is a complex human:D. Once he’s got his hands on the CL trophy in a few weeks will look forward to seeing what the next chapter is....
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We’re in a Champions League final! Haha, still hasn’t sunk in yet, feels weird reading about it still!
 
Raziel said:
Pre the final, interview he did in Spanish (someone on Reddit did the translation)

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/bmcc3w
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Everyone should read this.
More insight than in any other interview I've seen.
Probably more insight than in his book.
Diego Torres does ask the right questions.

Also he's not going anywhere for 4 years if this is how he feels about contracts.
"And I felt I couldn't do anything. Daniel Levy [Tottenham's president] didn't want to accept the offers to free me and if they ask me to break the contract I can't accept it because I can't behave like that. If my president thinks I'm going to keep going, I'm not going to escape. Those are not my values. Why should it be good for a club to sign a coach who breaks his commitments?"
 
SpurMeUp said:
I think the pressure is, if we lose Toby and Eriksen, then we need a rethink. We are refreshing, starting with a fresh approach, that will see us move forward. If Eriksen and Toby are not off, then we don't need such a big plan. Just one or two quality first teamers and some youth prospects. But that may put forward challanges with fiances, and maybe Poch is commenting on that. He wants transparancy that we don't have much cash for the next 2 seasons but then it will double.

I see Poch's pressure on Levy as positive. He is ambitious. Levy is ambitious. They should drive each other. Push the boundries, and go all out. Spending lots of money is risk, but it can also pay massive dividends. We skimped on a number of players - Mane, Suarez - who would have taken us to a new level and been even more valuable assets.
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You can't say we skimped when our financial position was different then. You trust that Levy said no (if that was the reason) because he knew it was too expensive at that point. Plus please don't cherry pick the successes of the transfer market otherwise I'll have to post the disasters of the transfer market that we avoided for balance:D it's hindsight economics.

What Levy has to realise (maybe he does) is that Poch has shown he can work with very little. So give him quite a bit and the rewards could be huge BUT the most important bit is if it doesn't reach those heights, no worries as the base level is still top 4 finishes and cup semi finals..so he has effectively mitigated all risk by proving himself. Levy has to embrace that and realise no-one else is coming along anytime soon who is this talented.
 
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when will people accept that its just a throwaway comment, like "i'd die if spurs wins the world cup", just not so melodramatic.

what happens next is always a transfer window at a time. though the unexpected CL final means that it opens up a lot more options - and i mean more lucrative ones too, and levy, poch and the committee's going to start hammering away at the cost vs benefits of each option.

i know that whatever happens, poch and the boys deserve time off. i hope they've learnt that they can't take too much time off and need to close deals early to get off to the best possible start. if they have any doubt i hope they just buy half of the ajax team!
 
If (When) we win the final do you think the first question will be..

Poch, Is this just the start of great things here at Spurs? etc. etc.
Or
Poch, What's next for you now?. You've won the CL, have you achieved everything you could here? What's next? Are you ready for a new challenge etc.
 
jts1882 said:
Levy likes plans. Remember when he set out his long term plan: a new state of the art training ground, gradual improvement in the team and a new stadium. How many of us took it completely seriously. He has delivered on all and probably better than anyone reasonably expected. He has the perfect manager for his plan and will surely do whatever he reasonably can to keep him on board. The question is whether Levy's generally conservative (as in low risk) planning and Poch's ambitions (very high, so high) have a suitable meeting point.

I suspect they do, but we can never be sure. I think Poch would rather become a Wenger or Ferguson than a Mourinho. It's rather fortunate that the one superclub who might buy his long-term approach is the one he has ruled out.
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Spot on for me.

If it's not clear at this point that Levy is always a man with a plan I don't know what will make that clear.

Pochettino getting money to spend, but choosing not to because the right player for the right price wasn't available just strengthens the idea that Pochettino and Levy are having very similar thoughts on these issues.

Pochettino explicitly stating that it's just not about spending more. Is that a message to Levy too? Obviously not. I think this is as much about sending a message to the players, and, about Pochettino actually being honest rather than using the media to play boardroom politics.
 
I read it (or part of it) as Poch saying he doesn't want short-termism. He doesn't want to be managing on a season-by-season basis. Which is what he has been having to do for the past few years due to our circumstances with the stadium, finances etc.
He was tasked with ensuring CL football for the new stadium. He's done that ahead of time, with a totally unexpected Final to boot, and (barring a disaster on Sunday) done it for next season.

Now he wants to know that there is a long-term strategy in place, which gives him the tools he needs for his next project, which is to create a legacy for Tottenham Hotspur.
Obviously he needs funds for that but I think he is saying it's not just about having money to buy players, it's about the whole philosophy and ethos of the club as we evolve. We need to understand what type of club we want to be, what we want to achieve and how we set about achieving it. Long term planning. No negativity, we need to strive to become one of football's elite, and to believe that we deserve that accolade. Everyone from Levy down (including us fans) needs to buy into that, long-term. It does sound like he is looking for some firm commitments.

Personally I love the fact that he is even talking about a five or ten year plan. That doesn't sound like someone who is looking to walk away, as long as he believes Levy is aligned with his vision.

I'm a bit concerned about the transparency part and what his expectations are in that regard. I think he just means he wants everyone to understand exactly what our ambitions are so he doesn't have to keep explaining them (see the little dig at the press). I'm not sure what level of detail he thinks should be shared about our long term strategy - I don't think it's something we would necessarily want to be too public about. Transparency on our ambitions yes, transparency on how we are going to achieve them? Less so I think.
 
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Glenda's Legs said:
I read it (or part of it) as Poch saying he doesn't want short-termism. He doesn't want to be managing on a season-by-season basis. Which is what he has been having to do for the past few years due to our circumstances with the stadium, finances etc.
He was tasked with ensuring CL football for the new stadium. He's done that ahead of time, with a totally unexpected Final to boot, and (barring a disaster on Sunday) done it for next season.

Now he wants to know that there is a long-term strategy in place, which gives him the tools he needs for his next project, which is to create a legacy for Tottenham Hotspur.
Obviously he needs funds for that but I think he is saying it's not just about having money to buy players, it's about the whole philosophy and ethos of the club as we evolve. We need to understand what type of club we want to be, what we want to achieve and how we set about achieving it. Long term planning. No negativity, we need to strive to become one of football's elite, and to believe that we deserve that accolade. Everyone from Levy down (including us fans) needs to buy into that, long-term. It does sound like he is looking for some firm commitments.

Personally I love the fact that he is even talking about a five or ten year plan. That doesn't sound like someone who is looking to walk away, as long as he believes Levy is aligned with his vision.

I'm a bit concerned about the transparency part and what his expectations are in that regard. I think he just means he wants everyone to understand exactly what our ambitions are so he doesn't have to keep explaining them (see the little dig at the press). I'm not sure what level of detail he thinks should be shared about our long term strategy - I don't think it's something we would necessarily want to be too public about. Transparency on our ambitions yes, transparency on how we are going to achieve them? Less so I think.
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Maybe he's also asking for patience whilst he builds that legacy. Because the process of rebuilding may have to mean finishing outside the top four and failure to win trophies for a couple of seasons whilst he clears out the 'dead wood' and rebuilds, bringing in HIS choice of promising new talent that may take time to bed in.

We already know he wants to focus solely on the top prizes - winning the PL and the CL - therefore he still needs to get it into our thick heads that this must inevitably mean using squad players in the domestic cup competitions.

We already know also exactly the type of player he wants. Young, physically and mentally strong. Highly promising, but a name you may need to Google. Players he believes he will be able to trust, that he knows are willing to work extremely hard and be patient. Players who will commit totally to the cause and fit in with the club's ethos. Players he believes he can work with to mould them into exactly what he wants form them.

Players, indeed, who can help take us to the very pinnacle and ultimately make us the best club side in the world.

Boom boom!
 
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