Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

[Rorschach]

Klopp is one that all the warning signs are there to stay far far away, in a league where only a small number of teams are competitive, very emotional (English media would have field day), might lose it and alienate everyone, and the wheels have come completely off (again, hints at player/manager issues).

I'm not sold on Poch, but replacing him with Klopp would be completely a punt. The only manager I would blindly replace Poch with right now is Ancelotti (and we can't get him), experienced winner, knows PL, can handle difficult owners, media doesn't get to him and gets players to work together and still plays attractive football.

Every manager is a punt.

Dortmund's fall is startling but I predict they'll recover and crawl back to mid table safety before long. I watched them versus Bayern a few weeks back and they played very well (but lost).

I'd love him here and despite his unhinged demeanour he is a master of the media. I would not be worried on that front. Whether his footballing philosophy would translate into results in the premier league well who knows. I imagine it would be entertaining and horrifying all at the same time. Very Spurs like really.

But like I said I'm not calling for a manager change at all. Poch has hardly got his feet under the table.

 

[braineclipse]

Love Klopp, but not sure firing a manager after 6 months doing reasonably well sends anything like the kind of message we would like to send to the world or to our squad.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Love Klopp, but not sure firing a manager after 6 months doing reasonably well sends anything like the kind of message we would like to send to the world or to our squad.

Ultimately, this

 

[parklane1]

Thought the Coach deserved a mention as we have played our last game of the year. Arrived at Spurs where the fan base had become so polarised in recent seasons, anti redknapp pro AVB, anti tim you get the drift. He has quietly gone about his work. Not moaned about the quality of the squad, or fans ruining the atmosphere at the stadium despite enduring boos at games such as Palace. He's not told the fans "that this is as good as we'll get" Failed to get some of his 1st choice players in the Summer not heard anything about him being livid, but moved on quickly to suitable alternatives.

Under his watch already players like Harry Kane, Ben Davies and Ryan Mason have blossomed. Eriksen is looking like a world class player, Lamela is still a work in progress but at least he is getting some game time. Poch is astutely rotating the team to deal with the heavy schedule of games something he never had to do at Soton and Both Martinez and Rodgers appear to be struggling with this season.

He has instilled a certain defensive resilience in us and made us joint top scorers of late goals an attribute usually reserved for the scum down the road.

Is every thing perfect? - of course not, our home record needs improving we need to improve our defensive shape in midfield and we need a clinical striker. But we are on 31 points 2 points off 4th, 2 points off the scum and 5 points of a utd side that spent 200 million in the summer.

Is he the one? Who knows, we have had too many false dawns to start making predictions. But I am quietly confident we may have got ourselves one of the best coaches we have ever had at this club. I am going to allow myself a caution toast to Maurizio Pochetino (or however you spell his name) at new year.

Well said. =D>

 

[NWND]

I do understand that, but to my mind klopp is special, I wouldn't want pouch sacked for just anyone, despite not being impressed by the performances. But I feel than within 6 months the performances should be better then they are now, and I believe that Klopp would be worth the risk... The upside would be ridiculous.

If he's so special why are Dortmund in a relegation scrap? What have they actually done? They have the 2nd biggest budget in German football and the biggest fan base. They should be serial CL regulars and challengers

 

[Bonsaiboy]

I wouldn't swap Poch for any coach in the world at this point in time.

This is the first time since Burkinshaw in the late 70s that it feels to me like we are properly structurally reforming and putting the foundations in place to have a sustained and sustainable period of success.

Klopp could easily go all Ramos (who remember was the big up-and-coming great hope coach in Europe at that time).

I'd agree with this - this whole season is about implementing a playing style, sorting out the wheat from the chaff, getting rid of the latter and developing a team that can challenge next season. Any trophies or a top 4 finish is an added bonus.

 

[LutonSpurs]

Pochetinno has a football philosophy when in place will be beautiful to watch. The Bielsa verticalidad if it ever happens is something special. Don't want Klopp or anyone right now. Want to see us stable and building with the current man at the helm.

 

[Raziel]

Pochetinno has a football philosophy when in place will be beautiful to watch. The Bielsa verticalidad if it ever happens is something special. Don't want Klopp or anyone right now. Want to see us stable and building with the current man at the helm.

Still to be seen, right now Poch is very unproven to me, that said ..

- We are winning enough games (short term) to buy him enough time for long term change
- We need stability, and preferably some under radar (seems to be happening) time, let the media rave on about Scum/Pool/Manure/etc. while we quietly go about our business
- The one thing I have seen from Poch finally is an improvement in tempo (something we have struggled with for a few years), even when under pressure from Manure we kept a good pace/tempo to our game.

A cup final and a Europa spot at end of season would be more than acceptable, establishing Kane as a 20+ goal a season striker, get Mason/Bentaleb as PL regulars, get rid of some of the non performers (Kaboul/Capoue/Ade) would all equal a good first season.

I would really like to see some activity from the club in January (yes, insert Levy hate comments here), and I'm going to say part ownership of that has to be Poch, lets shift some players out, and lets get at least 1 (2 better) good signings that will lift club/team/fans. If he and Levy can't see and work that out, then I worry about the long term

 

[NWND]

Still to be seen, right now Poch is very unproven to me, that said ..

- We are winning enough games (short term) to buy him enough time for long term change
- We need stability, and preferably some under radar (seems to be happening) time, let the media rave on about Scum/Pool/Manure/etc. while we quietly go about our business
- The one thing I have seen from Poch finally is an improvement in tempo (something we have struggled with for a few years), even when under pressure from Manure we kept a good pace/tempo to our game.

A cup final and a Europa spot at end of season would be more than acceptable, establishing Kane as a 20+ goal a season striker, get Mason/Bentaleb as PL regulars, get rid of some of the non performers (Kaboul/Capoue/Ade) would all equal a good first season.

I would really like to see some activity from the club in January (yes, insert Levy hate comments here), and I'm going to say part ownership of that has to be Poch, lets shift some players out, and lets get at least 1 (2 better) good signings that will lift club/team/fans. If he and Levy can't see and work that out, then I worry about the long term

Wouldn't judge based on January, which is a very hard window to do decent business in, but if by end of next summer window we don't have at least the start of a Poch-shaped squad, i'd start to worry.

 

[braineclipse]

Wouldn't judge based on January, which is a very hard window to do decent business in, but if by end of next summer window we don't have at least the start of a Poch-shaped squad, i'd start to worry.

Agreed. I really hope we can make a handful of smart deals in January, but not sure it can be expected.

 

[braineclipse]

As a quick illustration of the changes we've gone through so far this season, partly by choice, partly by necessity. Arguably currently our strongest side:

------------Lloris-----------
Walker--Fazio--Verts--Davies
--------Mason-Bentaleb-----
Lamela------Eriksen----Chadli
------------Kane------------

Most of the season Walker has been unavailable. That's 2/3 out of the back 5 that were regulars last season. 2 of them were really performing last season (Walker and Lloris), but one of those injured for most of it.

Deep midfield two. Mason untested at this level. Bentaleb 19/20 and half a season of PL football behind him. Stambouli now looking like the next option a new signing this season.

Attacking midfield 3. Lamela had 3 league start for us when the season started and a lengthy injury layoff behind him. Eriksen was settled and performing, Chadli had games, but wasn't exactly outstanding.

Kane did well last season, but still very much settling and untested.

That's at most 5 settled players (Lloris, Walker, Verts, Eriksen and Chadli), but with Walker out until very recently, Verts struggling last season and Chadli a bit meh last season it's really only two players carrying the torch from last season into this as highly performing first team regulars that's kept it up.

Meanwhile Kaboul, Capoue and Ade at least have been weighed and found lacking it seems. Many others have been in and out of the team and several seemingly established first team players have been shifted to the periphery.

That's a rather stupendous amount of change in a short amount of time, for a team that was already a bit fractured last season to say the least. As Poch gets more time with this group and these players settle in further with the club, in the league and in his system I think we'll see a lot more improvements.

 

[milo]

As a quick illustration of the changes we've gone through so far this season, partly by choice, partly by necessity. Arguably currently our strongest side:

------------Lloris-----------
Walker--Fazio--Verts--Davies
--------Mason-Bentaleb-----
Lamela------Eriksen----Chadli
------------Kane------------

Most of the season Walker has been unavailable. That's 2/3 out of the back 5 that were regulars last season. 2 of them were really performing last season (Walker and Lloris), but one of those injured for most of it.

Deep midfield two. Mason untested at this level. Bentaleb 19/20 and half a season of PL football behind him. Stambouli now looking like the next option a new signing this season.

Attacking midfield 3. Lamela had 3 league start for us when the season started and a lengthy injury layoff behind him. Eriksen was settled and performing, Chadli had games, but wasn't exactly outstanding.

Kane did well last season, but still very much settling and untested.

That's at most 5 settled players (Lloris, Walker, Verts, Eriksen and Chadli), but with Walker out until very recently, Verts struggling last season and Chadli a bit meh last season it's really only two players carrying the torch from last season into this as highly performing first team regulars that's kept it up.

Meanwhile Kaboul, Capoue and Ade at least have been weighed and found lacking it seems. Many others have been in and out of the team and several seemingly established first team players have been shifted to the periphery.

That's a rather stupendous amount of change in a short amount of time, for a team that was already a bit fractured last season to say the least. As Poch gets more time with this group and these players settle in further with the club, in the league and in his system I think we'll see a lot more improvements.

=D>

 

[LutonSpurs]

As a quick illustration of the changes we've gone through so far this season, partly by choice, partly by necessity. Arguably currently our strongest side:

------------Lloris-----------
Walker--Fazio--Verts--Davies
--------Mason-Bentaleb-----
Lamela------Eriksen----Chadli
------------Kane------------

Most of the season Walker has been unavailable. That's 2/3 out of the back 5 that were regulars last season. 2 of them were really performing last season (Walker and Lloris), but one of those injured for most of it.

Deep midfield two. Mason untested at this level. Bentaleb 19/20 and half a season of PL football behind him. Stambouli now looking like the next option a new signing this season.

Attacking midfield 3. Lamela had 3 league start for us when the season started and a lengthy injury layoff behind him. Eriksen was settled and performing, Chadli had games, but wasn't exactly outstanding.

Kane did well last season, but still very much settling and untested.

That's at most 5 settled players (Lloris, Walker, Verts, Eriksen and Chadli), but with Walker out until very recently, Verts struggling last season and Chadli a bit meh last season it's really only two players carrying the torch from last season into this as highly performing first team regulars that's kept it up.

Meanwhile Kaboul, Capoue and Ade at least have been weighed and found lacking it seems. Many others have been in and out of the team and several seemingly established first team players have been shifted to the periphery.

That's a rather stupendous amount of change in a short amount of time, for a team that was already a bit fractured last season to say the least. As Poch gets more time with this group and these players settle in further with the club, in the league and in his system I think we'll see a lot more improvements.

I am particularly impressed with how the changes have been managed. There has been nothing in the media about dressing room bust ups. No outbursts from the players. The atmosphere amongst the players seems to be one of harmony.

Also he has constantly rewarded players when they have performed well mid week with premier league appearances.

My main point is that he is clearly not just a coach, he seems to understand the man management side of things well and seems to be implementing his philosophy not just in style but on the group mentality.

 

[NWND]

I have to say I was worried based on some earlier performances, where it just did not seem the players were even attempting to play Poch's system and it appeared to have a look of doom about things. I've seen managers plod on with the status quo before their P45 came calling.

I'm glad to see that Poch has slowly identified the problem personnel and removed them from the match-day squads. Whether I believe all the rumours, or whether its just a consideration of ability/style and form, the removal of Kaboul, Capoue and Adebayor has led to a much stronger looking team where you can see the beginnings at last of what he wants to achieve.

Not that the performances are excellent overall yet, but I'm happy now that we seem to have turned a corner and are moving forward at least at some pace. That's all I wanted to see!

 

[Baleforce]

at the start of the season, with this squad, I couldn't see us finishing in the top half, looking at things half way I'm mightily impressed with what MP has achieved thus far, he's weeded out the wrong uns, improved fitness and made us hard to beat

 

[harr1984]

at the start of the season, with this squad, I couldn't see us finishing in the top half, looking at things half way I'm mightily impressed with what MP has achieved thus far, he's weeded out the wrong uns, improved fitness and made us hard to beat

You really think our squad on paper was a bottom half side? Can't see that myself....

 

[Baleforce]

You really think our squad on paper was a bottom half side? Can't see that myself....

yeah, because previously the application hasn't matched the talent

I think it's notable that we've had to rely on 3 emerging youth talents to fill in where we have wasted many millions recently

 

[harr1984]

yeah, because previously the application hasn't matched the talent

I think it's notable that we've had to rely on 3 emerging youth talents to fill in where we have wasted many millions recently

The application last season didnt match the talent and under performed, yet we still finished 6th. Our squad of players have too much talent to finish in the bottom half - even if below par....

 

[DTA]

yeah, because previously the application hasn't matched the talent

I think it's notable that we've had to rely on 3 emerging youth talents to fill in where we have wasted many millions recently

I seriously don't understand this.oh well.

 

[Baleforce]

The application last season didnt match the talent and under performed, yet we still finished 6th. Our squad of players have too much talent to finish in the bottom half - even if below par....

yeah, but the rest of the league was a shambles last season, a lot of them sorted out their act in the summer, I wasn't confident we had