Kandi1977
Garth Crooks
What he's saying is that there are players in the team/squad who should be replaced because they are either not good enough yet, or past it.
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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked
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Mulletperm
Mauricio Taricco
Was 3am for me...that's my excuse and I'm sticking with it.
thfcsteff
George Hunt
I don’t think he is bored. I think there is something deeper going on. But who knows?
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Serge Aurier
He's a natural born loser. Can't wait for him to be sacked. Let's Hope the goons smash us and whoever is next too.
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
Something is definitely not right. We are not performing well in or out of possession. Lacking defensive shape out of possession and lacking intensity in possession. I love Poch so really want him to sort this quickly.
Mikey10
Jimmy Neighbour
Hmmm...
Pochettino makes worrying claim about his current Spurs squad
https://www.spurs-web.com/spurs-news/pochettino-makes-worrying-claim-about-his-current-spurs-squad/
Pochettino makes worrying claim about his current Spurs squad
https://www.spurs-web.com/spurs-news/pochettino-makes-worrying-claim-about-his-current-spurs-squad/
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Serge Aurier
He's a moaning clam. Fact. It's boring now. Sack the prick.
DeanoAustin
Jimmy McCormick
He is a moaning clam. fudge sake, he used to be likable with his interviews. Someone by the fudger some lemons.
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Serge Aurier
Maybe he's a moaning clam?
Nigeyman
Chris Armstrong
Maybe, who knows?
More importantly is the question of how we all feel deep down, a simple question...
Can we win anything with this guy?
For me that yes turned to a no last season, even for reasons that felt odd to me before our ucl semi second leg.
For ages something in my gut has not felt right about us. I’m sure Poch hasn’t brought his A game for a while now, or lost it last season.
Maybe he will get it back, but it does seem we are regressing at the moment with no signs or hints at a recovery.
Of course if we win the nld, I shall erase this post and claim he was a jolly good fellow all along.
Ruddy Saudi Sportswashing Machine though! At home for ffs!
DeanoAustin
Jimmy McCormick
If we smash the Goons 10-0 next week, this is still an abysmal result. I guarantee you that City and Liverpool absolutely smash Saudi Sportswashing Machine at home. Today was bloody embarrassing.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
What a absolutely limp performance today was; the most shocking thing is that we have been seeing these kind of performances many tiems for a while now.
A lot of people are asking about whether things are or have been going on behind the scenes and whether they are now starting to effect things on the field.
There may well be some things, they might be nothing, certainly nothing that the other top 6 clubs in the PL or elsewhere haven't had to deal with.
Perhaps our issue is more simple: Poch and his ways are too much based on physicality, athleticism and a posh version of "run about a bit", and now the players, mostly into their 6th year of such methods are simply spent.
This method gets us to be competitive but perhaps becomes limp because a) the players are human and human physicality has a lifespan and b) without an ingrained ability to grow in terms of natural creativity, finesse, passing attacking movements that almost make the team dangerous, we are then - eventually - easy to nullify.
What i mean by this is how many of the players we have had under Poch have gotten better in terms of creativity and attacking passing movement going forwards? Eriksen has been Eriksen for the most part, he has excelled to great levels because of the system, but individually: has he gotten MORE creative per say under Poch? Lamela: has he become more creative, especially given his form in the year or two before we bought him? Dembele was a physical beast good at protecting and driving us forward, but again: more creative under Poch? Son, Moura: has their creativity and attacking prowess improved under him? Are we now seeing a pattern?
I know there is much talk about Eriksen, Toby etc about them wanting out, but maybe without the ability to get the players over the line in terms of winning trophies, the attraction to stay and physically keep exerting yourself is just about lost. Why not join another 'top' team get paid similar to what we might now be able to offer now, but actually win something AND maybe (due to squad rotation etc) even possibly extend your career by not exetring so much physically ?
Maybe Poch knows his limitations are now being slowly exposed (see our form AND performances since the 3-0 win vs Dortmund) and hence the quite frankly crazy comments or outbursts in his media dealings since then (though i could even go back further to his comments about how "trophies are just for egos", but i really don't want to digress that way...)
The key worrying point for me is that for a long time now the players looked physically spent. Now not only do they STILL look like that (in the 3rd PL game ffs) but now also look like they aren't being very well coached! That's the most worrying thing and it feels like end of days.
It's one thing to play well, miss chances and batter the opposition in performamce but still not win (see an City vs us for example) but it's another to lose limply at home in August vs one of the worst sides (and coaches) in the PL (imo) and have the team hardly make any runs and move at all.
Very worrying and i fear the limitations with Poch's coaching and his overreliance on physicality and athleticism is now going to be laid bare and horrifically...
A lot of people are asking about whether things are or have been going on behind the scenes and whether they are now starting to effect things on the field.
There may well be some things, they might be nothing, certainly nothing that the other top 6 clubs in the PL or elsewhere haven't had to deal with.
Perhaps our issue is more simple: Poch and his ways are too much based on physicality, athleticism and a posh version of "run about a bit", and now the players, mostly into their 6th year of such methods are simply spent.
This method gets us to be competitive but perhaps becomes limp because a) the players are human and human physicality has a lifespan and b) without an ingrained ability to grow in terms of natural creativity, finesse, passing attacking movements that almost make the team dangerous, we are then - eventually - easy to nullify.
What i mean by this is how many of the players we have had under Poch have gotten better in terms of creativity and attacking passing movement going forwards? Eriksen has been Eriksen for the most part, he has excelled to great levels because of the system, but individually: has he gotten MORE creative per say under Poch? Lamela: has he become more creative, especially given his form in the year or two before we bought him? Dembele was a physical beast good at protecting and driving us forward, but again: more creative under Poch? Son, Moura: has their creativity and attacking prowess improved under him? Are we now seeing a pattern?
I know there is much talk about Eriksen, Toby etc about them wanting out, but maybe without the ability to get the players over the line in terms of winning trophies, the attraction to stay and physically keep exerting yourself is just about lost. Why not join another 'top' team get paid similar to what we might now be able to offer now, but actually win something AND maybe (due to squad rotation etc) even possibly extend your career by not exetring so much physically ?
Maybe Poch knows his limitations are now being slowly exposed (see our form AND performances since the 3-0 win vs Dortmund) and hence the quite frankly crazy comments or outbursts in his media dealings since then (though i could even go back further to his comments about how "trophies are just for egos", but i really don't want to digress that way...)
The key worrying point for me is that for a long time now the players looked physically spent. Now not only do they STILL look like that (in the 3rd PL game ffs) but now also look like they aren't being very well coached! That's the most worrying thing and it feels like end of days.
It's one thing to play well, miss chances and batter the opposition in performamce but still not win (see an City vs us for example) but it's another to lose limply at home in August vs one of the worst sides (and coaches) in the PL (imo) and have the team hardly make any runs and move at all.
Very worrying and i fear the limitations with Poch's coaching and his overreliance on physicality and athleticism is now going to be laid bare and horrifically...
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Bleep me, i know i'm worried, but please can someone debunk this theory as it's more depressing than simply Poch's methods hitting a brick wall!!
I'm looking at you @thfcsteff ,@milo , @Raziel , @galeforce
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
If we were to go into succession planning..........then this is the chap I would look at. Julian Nagelsmann
https://www.bundesliga.com/en/bunde...-s-record-breaking-head-coach-hoffenheim-5300
Nagelsmann was just 28 when he was appointed as head coach of Hoffenheim in February 2016, taking over from veteran tactician Huub Stevens, who resigned due to health reasons. Nagelsmann was already scheduled to take charge later that summer, but brought forward his arrival to fill the void. The club were in 17th place and seemingly set to go down at the time, but he lifted them to safety by the end of the campaign.
Although Nagelsmann is the youngest permanent head coach in Bundesliga history, he is not the youngest ever to oversee a Bundesliga match. On 23 October 1976, Bernd Stöber took charge of Saarbrücken in an interim capacity for their trip to Cologne, aged 24. Die Molschder lost the game 5-1.
Hoffenheim are one of the few clubs in the world to use the 'Footbonaut' to fine-tune their players' touch and control, but Nagelsmann has taken the use of technology in training even further. As well as using drones to film his squad's movement, he had a giant videowall installed on the halfway line of their main training pitch.
The system works with four cameras, two from a tower high above the halfway line and one behind each goal. The feed from each camera can be shown on the screen at any time and the cameras are controlled by the training staff, giving them the opportunity to stop, rewind or fast-forward the footage to show the players particular points of interest. It gives Nagelsmann the chance to explain situations in far more detail with four angles at his disposal.
Those triumphs may in part be down to his admiration for some illustrious coaching colleagues. Though Nagelsmann cites former Bayern Munich coach Pep Guardiola as a source of inspiration, he acknowledges erstwhile Borussia Dortmund boss Thomas Tuchel as having the biggest influence on him. While Augsburg reserve team coach during the 2007/08 season, Tuchel gave Nagelsmann the task of scouting upcoming opponents. "That was my way into coaching," Nagelsmann explained. "I learned a lot from him."
Tuchel was equally complimentary of his young protege. "He's a very inquisitive and very hardworking young coach," he said at the time of Nagelsmann's appointment. "He enjoyed exceptional successes in youth football. I'm very happy for him and I believe in him."
Unsurprisingly, there are shades of Tuchel, among others, in Nagelsmann’s playing philosophy. "I like to attack the opponents near their own goal because your own path to the goal is not as long if you get the ball higher up,"
Nagelsmann has long been a deep thinker. He started studying a business degree but dropped out before completing his bachelor's degree in sports and training science instead. As if that were not enough, he was awarded an A grade in is professional coaching license, finishing second in his class behind former Schalke coach Domenico Tedesco.
Furthermore, Nagelsmann's know-how in the Hoffenheim dugout impressed Germany's football community to such an extent that he was voted Coach of the Year for 2016. It also contributed to former Leipzig boss Ralf Rangnick recruiting him for Die Roten Bullen in time for the 2019/20 campaign.
Such was the fascination with the young, rookie coach in the first year of his tenure that German media began keeping a 'Nagelsmann table', highlighting how his record stacked up against those of other clubs. While most outlets have long since given up keeping score, it still makes for impressive reading.
Over the course of 116 games between his debut on Matchday 21 in February 2016 and the conclusion of his time at Hoffenheim at the end of the 2018/19 season, Hoffenheim earned a total of 191 points. To put that into context, only Bayern (279), and Dortmund (228) won more over the same period, with big teams such as Bayer Leverkusen (182), Borussia Mönchengladbach (170) and Schalke (158) some way behind.
https://www.bundesliga.com/en/bunde...-s-record-breaking-head-coach-hoffenheim-5300
Nagelsmann was just 28 when he was appointed as head coach of Hoffenheim in February 2016, taking over from veteran tactician Huub Stevens, who resigned due to health reasons. Nagelsmann was already scheduled to take charge later that summer, but brought forward his arrival to fill the void. The club were in 17th place and seemingly set to go down at the time, but he lifted them to safety by the end of the campaign.
Although Nagelsmann is the youngest permanent head coach in Bundesliga history, he is not the youngest ever to oversee a Bundesliga match. On 23 October 1976, Bernd Stöber took charge of Saarbrücken in an interim capacity for their trip to Cologne, aged 24. Die Molschder lost the game 5-1.
Hoffenheim are one of the few clubs in the world to use the 'Footbonaut' to fine-tune their players' touch and control, but Nagelsmann has taken the use of technology in training even further. As well as using drones to film his squad's movement, he had a giant videowall installed on the halfway line of their main training pitch.
The system works with four cameras, two from a tower high above the halfway line and one behind each goal. The feed from each camera can be shown on the screen at any time and the cameras are controlled by the training staff, giving them the opportunity to stop, rewind or fast-forward the footage to show the players particular points of interest. It gives Nagelsmann the chance to explain situations in far more detail with four angles at his disposal.
Those triumphs may in part be down to his admiration for some illustrious coaching colleagues. Though Nagelsmann cites former Bayern Munich coach Pep Guardiola as a source of inspiration, he acknowledges erstwhile Borussia Dortmund boss Thomas Tuchel as having the biggest influence on him. While Augsburg reserve team coach during the 2007/08 season, Tuchel gave Nagelsmann the task of scouting upcoming opponents. "That was my way into coaching," Nagelsmann explained. "I learned a lot from him."
Tuchel was equally complimentary of his young protege. "He's a very inquisitive and very hardworking young coach," he said at the time of Nagelsmann's appointment. "He enjoyed exceptional successes in youth football. I'm very happy for him and I believe in him."
Unsurprisingly, there are shades of Tuchel, among others, in Nagelsmann’s playing philosophy. "I like to attack the opponents near their own goal because your own path to the goal is not as long if you get the ball higher up,"
Nagelsmann has long been a deep thinker. He started studying a business degree but dropped out before completing his bachelor's degree in sports and training science instead. As if that were not enough, he was awarded an A grade in is professional coaching license, finishing second in his class behind former Schalke coach Domenico Tedesco.
Furthermore, Nagelsmann's know-how in the Hoffenheim dugout impressed Germany's football community to such an extent that he was voted Coach of the Year for 2016. It also contributed to former Leipzig boss Ralf Rangnick recruiting him for Die Roten Bullen in time for the 2019/20 campaign.
Such was the fascination with the young, rookie coach in the first year of his tenure that German media began keeping a 'Nagelsmann table', highlighting how his record stacked up against those of other clubs. While most outlets have long since given up keeping score, it still makes for impressive reading.
Over the course of 116 games between his debut on Matchday 21 in February 2016 and the conclusion of his time at Hoffenheim at the end of the 2018/19 season, Hoffenheim earned a total of 191 points. To put that into context, only Bayern (279), and Dortmund (228) won more over the same period, with big teams such as Bayer Leverkusen (182), Borussia Mönchengladbach (170) and Schalke (158) some way behind.
nayenezgani
Jimmy Neighbour
Holy brick. The pitchforks are out after one defeat? For a manager who has overseen out most successful period in recent memory, perhaps ever.
I'd say unbelievable, but unfortunately it's all too predictable. Fickle fudging tossers.
I'd say unbelievable, but unfortunately it's all too predictable. Fickle fudging tossers.
nayenezgani
Jimmy Neighbour
Not half as embarrassing as the reaction going on in this thread.
Mulletperm
Mauricio Taricco
I wouldn't say its one defeat. We have looked poor for quite a while now. Possibly the straw that broke the camels back for some folks?
nayenezgani
Jimmy Neighbour
Any excuse to have a fudging whinge more like.. If we turn in a poor performance against Arsenal I might start to be worried. But seriously we're three games in.
Gazza
Frederic Kanoute
So four games in ... ok
nayenezgani
Jimmy Neighbour
I said start to be worried, not calling for Poch's head. But we'll see what happens, I'm not a psychic.