Lemonade Money
Andy Thompson
You've become institutionalised!
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Mathys Tel
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metalgear
Chris Jones
perhaps but i saw much less from odobert and muani
yeah selection by elimination
Bishop
Jimmy McCormick
Odobert doesn't play well on the right at all he only plays reasonably well on the left (and sometimes the centre), he and Tel are fighting for the same position of LWF. Odobert is a little more versatile so he is getting minutes in the right but he's pretty awful there.
Mikey10
Rafael Van Der Vaart
20 years of age and trying to perform in a team that lacks stucture. He has talent but by the looks of it som fans have allready written him off.
Poor lad should be coming on with 20 minutes to go in games we’re already two goals up in. We shouldn’t be having to rely on him as a starter in a desperately struggling team at this point in his development.
parklane1
Teddy Sheringham
Do not disagree at all, i guess because we have so many players out with injury is forcing Frank to use him more.
MartyFunkhouser
Steve Sedgley
Whoever sits round a table and goes "ok so we are losing Son, we have Odobert as an understudy moving forward, who do we get to replace Son.........why not activate Tels loan to a perm"............take them out to the pasture
100%
Nothing personal against Tel - either he or Odobert as backups to develop over a few seasons behind an established starter would have been fine, but having two players as your options for a starting XI position that are both years away from being top quality is poor squad building.
MartyFunkhouser
Steve Sedgley
And TBH out the two I would have taken Tel before Odobert, but it just didn't happen in that order. I wouldn't mind if Tel was outstanding on loan but he wasn't
Its GHod awful squad building.
Bishop
Jimmy McCormick
If ever...
SteveAWOL
Tommy Harmer
FWIW…
Tel so far this season: 3 goals + 0 assists and Odobert has 2 goals + 2 assists
Son at the same stage last season: 8 goals + 7 assists
Obviously helps that we had Kulusevski + Maddison + Solanke + Johnson available at the start of least season plus Udogie at LB.
Muttley
Milija Aleksic
Other difference is Odobert has had 803 league mins versus Tel who has had 527. How many mins had Son played at this stage of the season? Most of them right.
My current thought process is to leave Tel on the left for a run of league games. Let's see what happens.
Bishop
Jimmy McCormick
Ill predict, not much.
NaijaSpurs
Paul Walsh
Best attacker and good attacker are not the same thing sadly.
Tel like with the rest of the youth prospects are a lot of hope attached to not a lot of actual promise.
He deserves to start because right now we don't not have anyone better.
NaijaSpurs
Paul Walsh
FFS, are we now really comparing a 20 year old kid to a Tottenham legend? Shock horror, the legend has better stats.
The bottom line is right now we don't not have a better player to play ahead of Tel.
It's probably done to highlight the poor job the club has done in succession planning
Mikey10
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Which was exactly my point. We should have.
SteveAWOL
Tommy Harmer
As Billy says, I’m merely highlighting how poor a job the transfer committee has been doing that instead of pushing the boat out and using the glory of being CHAMPIONS OF EUROPE to attract someone who might be able to fill that void (as Semenyo could’ve done if we’d got him last summer) we’ve instead once again speculated on a couple of youngsters; who in all likelihood will end up at mid-table clubs just like Gil, Solomon, Bergwijn, N’koudou, N’jie, Danjuma, Werner…
Whilst the tactics deployed by Frank make AVB look like 1970s Brazil, the fact that we’ve got so many mediocre attackers is undoubtedly a major factor in our lack of goal output and even whilst playing Ange-ball last season only saw Tel contribute 2 PL goals in 11 starts; with both of those scored against teams with even leakier defences than our backup CBs!
braineclipse
Garth Crooks
So Tel has 3 goals in 527 minutes in the league, a goal every 175 minutes.
Can't be bothered doing stats for this time last year, but across last season Son had 7 goals in 2118 league minutes. A goal every 302 minutes.
Tel has zero assists this season. Son had 9 in the league last season so if we combine goals and assists Son had a goal involvement every 132 minutes.
Sample size is small enough for Tel to be pretty meaningless. Sample size is big enough for Son to say that he had probably fades significantly by last season and was sold to MLS for a reason.
Agreed that Tel deserves more game time. Couldn't understand him getting subbed against West Ham unless there was an injury/fitness concern.
Muttley
Milija Aleksic
Exactly that. Sonny's goals were front end loaded in the season so the above stats also looked a little distorted. I think SteveAWOLwill be having a little chuckle to himself. He just threw some great stats up like he often does. It created the right conversation.
The net, net is you can only look forward and as we all seem to be saying Tel probably needs more game time. The backing from the manager and a run in the team to see if he can really get going. Unless Lange unearths the January big fish for the left forward role, I would be investing in Tel for a while.