Mateo Musacchio

[Mulletperm]

Sandro did.




We are already £9m in the black on this window's dealings, so would need to raise £30m to stay even.

Personally I'd go:
Dembele £15m
Kaboul £5m
Rose £5m
BAE £3m
Obika, Mason and Khumalo £2m (combined).

Or even just Dembele and Paulinho at £15m a pop

Rose has just signed a new 5 year contract.

 

[jimmyb]

If you believe the press, we were close to an agreement at £17m. Now Villarreal want more than double that because of third-party ownership issues?

If that's a true reflection of the situation then I suspect Levy has already moved onto the next target on the list. I'm just hoping that's not a true reflection of the situation.

It's not.

It's a bargaining position. Villarreal will not sell for £17m when their share of it will only be £6m. They'd be better off keeping the player. So their stance appears to have a twofold objective - to get River Plate and the agent to agree to reduce their share (on the basis that a smaller percentage of something is better than a full percentage of nothing) and to get Spurs to offer more.

My guess is that this deal will happen eventually, but not before protracted and delicate negotiations.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Oh, I get it. It isn't retaining Daws or Kaboul you're advocating: it's buying someone experienced like Vlaar. But that would effectively mean either sending both Veljkovic and Dier out on loan or selling Kaboul, Daws and Chiriches in order to create a new CB pool of Verts, Musacchio, Vlaar and one of Dier or Veljkovic: in the first instance, the thought of sending both our CB prospects (one newly signed) on loan is a bit of a disappointing one when looked at from a 'youth team to first team' angle, and in the second, that transfer activity would ultimately leave us with three new CBs + Verts, which would inevitably lead to an instability among our centre backs and early defensive difficulties regardless of Vlaar's ability to organize and hold together the back line. Also, that would mean giving up on Chiriches, and given his evident potential that's also something I'm not entirely sold on doing, to be honest.

Signing an experienced player such as Lescott or even Rio Ferdinand probably would've allowed us to sell Dawson and Kaboul (and perhaps even Chiriches as well).... Unless we sign a similar player now though I agree that we probably now have to retain either Daws or Kaboul.

 

[stinkfoot]

No, his family moved back to the UK four years ago. He decided to stay in Lisbon and continue his education with Sporting. Besides which, there are probably more and cheaper flights from London to Lisbon than there are from Valencia (closest major airport to Villarreal)!

Dubai you FOOL!! 8-[

:lol:

 

[Rorschach]

Dubai you're a ****ing GENIUS!!

Hey!!! I thought of it first!!!!

 

[Rorschach]

Dubai you FOOL!! 8-[

:lol:

I mean it's all Dubai's idea.....8-[

 

[Finney Is Back]

It's not.

It's a bargaining position. Villarreal will not sell for £17m when their share of it will only be £6m. They'd be better off keeping the player. So their stance appears to have a twofold objective - to get River Plate and the agent to agree to reduce their share (on the basis that a smaller percentage of something is better than a full percentage of nothing) and to get Spurs to offer more.

My guess is that this deal will happen eventually, but not before protracted and delicate negotiations.

I'm with you on this..... My prediction is that Spurs will end up paying the same amount of £17(ish) million, just that Villareal will negotiate something so that they end up getting 10 to 12 million of this and the other parties the remainder split between them.

The only way I can see a different situation to the above unfolding is if Villareal do not have the full say on whether the player is sold or not, it may be that the agent and River Plate can use their combined majority ownership to enforce the sale on Villareal on the current terms. I know that third party ownership like this isn't allowed in England, but I have no idea on the rules on this in Spain?

 

[Mumorn]

Sandro did.

Didn't it take us about 2 years to sign him?

 

[jimmyb]

I'm with you on this..... My prediction is that Spurs will end up paying the same amount of £17(ish) million, just that Villareal will negotiate something so that they end up getting 10 to 12 million of this and the other parties the remainder split between them.

The only way I can see a different situation to the above unfolding is if Villareal do not have the full say on whether the player is sold or not, it may be that the agent and River Plate can use their combined majority ownership to enforce the sale on Villareal on the current terms. I know that third party ownership like this isn't allowed in England, but I have no idea on the rules on this in Spain?

I've no idea about the rules in Spain but, for what it's worth, Spurspanyol quoted Spanish sources yesterday which claimed that selling Musacchio (or not) is entirely Villarreal's decision to make.

 

[Gutter Boy]

I said realistic...not what you want to happen. It's clear as day Dembele and Rose are not going anywhere.

Poch hasn't seen Dembele or Paulinho yet. I think he wants to do that before making a judgement on which of the 4 to let go. Capoue has looked great in pre-season and Sandro definitely had the spring back in his step again in the last match. I'd say it’s very much in the air.

If you believe the press, we were close to an agreement at £17m. Now Villarreal want more than double that because of third-party ownership issues?

If that's a true reflection of the situation then I suspect Levy has already moved onto the next target on the list. I'm just hoping that's not a true reflection of the situation.

It's not going to be true though is it - it'll just be crap journalism.

Baldini has been doing multi-party ownership deals his whole career - remember his specialism is South America. Remember all the crap coming out about the Soldado negotiations 12 months ago.

Rose has just signed a new 5 year contract.

That still doesn't make him a competent footballer.

 

[Finney Is Back]

I've no idea about the rules in Spain but, for what it's worth, Spurspanyol quoted Spanish sources yesterday which claimed that selling Musacchio (or not) is entirely Villarreal's decision to make.

In that case - like you say, they simply instruct the other two parties that they will refuse to sell him and let him run his contract down unless an alternative arrangement can be made.... one that suits all parties (a 60/20/20 split would perhaps seem reasonable)

 

[Finney Is Back]

Capoue has looked great in pre-season

Do you really think so? I thought he looked incredibly poor in the first game, granted he has been a little better since then - but nowhere near 'great'.... In fact from what I saw I didn't see Capoue do anything that Mason didn't do better.

 

[Rossi22]

Did we sell them GDS?? If so, maybe we are owed money or sell on clauses from that which we could use to sweeten the deal?

We sold him to Mallorca for £1m but with a 50% sell on clause. They then sold him on to Villarreal for £6m so we got half the profit(so around £2.5m). They did try scamming us but I think they thought better of it in the end.

 

[harr1984]

Do you really think so? I thought he looked incredibly poor in the first game, granted he has been a little better since then - but nowhere near 'great'.... In fact from what I saw I didn't see Capoue do anything that Mason didn't do better.

Maybe great is an exaggeration but he has certainly been playing well. Mason has been good also.

Im afraid Gutter Boy Rose has been playing well under Poch in pre season too, you'll be disappointed if you genuinely expect him to be sold this summer....

 

[Raziel]

Maybe great is an exaggeration but he has certainly been playing well. Mason has been good also.

Im afraid Gutter Boy Rose has been playing well under Poch in pre season too, you'll be disappointed if you genuinely expect him to be sold this summer....

Disagree re Capoue being poor, it fact it was noticeable in the games where he played, when he came off, we looked more vulnerable. Mason was the best of youngsters, not sure people will appreciate him immediately as he was simply neat and tidy.

Rose did not play well, or at least significantly different to last season, still horribly inconsistent re crosses, too many needless fouls and ****ty positioning. Major difference under Poch is a midfielder adds cover behind the FB, so we are as terribly exposed as we were under TS.

 

[Rorschach]

Disagree re Capoue being poor, it fact it was noticeable in the games where he played, when he came off, we looked more vulnerable. Mason was the best of youngsters, not sure people will appreciate him immediately as he was simply neat and tidy.

Rose did not play well, or at least significantly different to last season, still horribly inconsistent re crosses, too many needless fouls and ****ty positioning. Major difference under Poch is a midfielder adds cover behind the FB, so we are as terribly exposed as we were under TS.

Capoue has been good except for his first preseason outing where he was poor. He didn't look fit to me actually, but his later outings have been characterised by some good passing from deep and some good defensive work, albeit not against top class opposition.

 

[metalgear]

Disagree re Capoue being poor, it fact it was noticeable in the games where he played, when he came off, we looked more vulnerable. Mason was the best of youngsters, not sure people will appreciate him immediately as he was simply neat and tidy.

Rose did not play well, or at least significantly different to last season, still horribly inconsistent re crosses, too many needless fouls and ****ty positioning. Major difference under Poch is a midfielder adds cover behind the FB, so we are as terribly exposed as we were under TS.

capoue is very good at marking space - reducing the options for the opposition to play into. you must watch him off the ball, and how he is narrowing down the options in play. a lot like carrick in the sense that you'll value him more when you miss him.

 

[Gutter Boy]

capoue is very good at marking space - reducing the options for the opposition to play into. you must watch him off the ball, and how he is narrowing down the options in play. a lot like carrick in the sense that you'll value
him more when you miss him.

Similar to Schneiderlin too in that respect.

 

[Bullet]

Off topic guys. I'm bored of refreshing this motherflucking thread in the hope we actually buy this boy

 

[Mumorn]

Off topic guys. I'm bored of refreshing this motherflucking thread in the hope we actually buy this boy

We won't and we will keep kaboul and end up wondering what could have been when Musacchio is lifting the CL trophy with Chelsea next season.