The Moonlit Knight
Banned
Yes, because I thought he was below par. Par is a 6.
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Match Ratings v Chelsea
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Yes, because I thought he was below par. Par is a 6.
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
Anyone who seriously thinks Kaboul or Ekotto had good games today should go and watch a different sport because they clearly don't understand football! Walker was on par. Sandro is over rated by Spurs fans, some think he is the best defensive midfielder in the Premiership! But that has nothing to do with today's performance. Usually Sandro plays very well, but today not so.
Kingdawson
Banned
" don't do 0.5's so if he was below par, he gets a 6"
sorry you was saying?
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
That was a typo dear boy and I corrected it the same time you were being a pedant!
Kingdawson
Banned
but it didn't though? how many of our chances were before the last 10 minutes?
Neither team opened up really. It was an edgy game but what team goes away to chelski and create that man clear cut chances. The formation that you predicted would fail was a success so of course you're wrong.
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
the man does have a point. average should be a six. if someone is below average then the are below a 6
i think though considering the gravity of the occasion i would give sandro an average score
i'm more inclined to give bale a below average score for not finding open guys when we are attacking and playing all tarzan of the jungle by himself
having said the the freekick and cross bar header were pretty niice. and we drew...plus he's bale so he gets an automatic 7
Ade's touch is awful. That chance should have been in the back of the net. Otherwise a very good performance by the Spurs. Some good urgency and determination today, and with a kinder schedule you can finish the season strong.
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
I didn't say it would fail. I said we were playing not to lose and that is what a 4-5-1 formation is. Personally, and this is probably my long standing Spurs traditions, I don't like going out setting out NOT to lose. I prefer going out to win. What I predicted is that by playing 4-5-1 we wouldn't win.
Kingdawson
Banned
Typo my ass. You're beyond predictable, it's just you messed up on this occasion. It's clear as day you thought his performance deserved a 6 but you utter stubbornness and you past comments about Sandro lead you to score it down to reiterate your stance on him.
SteveAWOL
Chris Jones
Pretty much agree with these ratings.
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
hmm, dont mean to jump in between this argument but as far as predicting score and results goes you were correct. but as far as pattern of play and the way the game unfolded i think you were wrong
we could have won that game, and i think chelsea were very happy with the draw all things considered
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
See when I do my ratings I don't take that into consideration. I take the players performance in isolation. I don't take the situation or their usual ability levels into the equation. Each game in isolation. Sandro didn't defend that well, didn't really contribute much to our possession play, and didn't really get forward or contribute to our attacks. Nor was he poor in any of those factors either. But he certainly wasn't up to what I would suggest to be the required standard.
However unlike some on here I do believe that Sandro / Parker can work. But at the expense of Modric, so it wouldn't happen. The only way I can see Parker/Sandro being a good option for central midfield is if you play two out and out wingers, and a deep lying forward. So we could play VDV, Lennon and Bale around them. It would be a bit like the old Utd team with Keane/Ince in the centre and Cantona just in front in them.
But like most Spurs fans I would be more happy with Modric in the centre and next year if Modric is still at the club, I would expect Modric/Sandro to be our partnership.
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
Maybe, but I still think not. I thought things only really came to life when both teams switched to 4-4-2 and the game became open. Up until that point neither team really looked like, or deserved to, winning. I think people are letting the last 20 minutes blind them to the entire 95.
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
What past comments about Sandro? Pray tell!
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Did we actually switch to a 4-4-2? I thought Saha just replaced VdV in his position. Tracked back down the right as much as VdV and tried getting up to support VdV from the right. They did change to a 4-4-2 and their midfield two lost out to our 3 men in there, that's what handed us the initiative imo.
Out of curiosity Moonlit, what kind of ratings would you give the Chelsea defenders today?
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
Same as ours to be honest. Chelsea's defending at times was woeful. Cahill caught the eye with a couple of last ditch challenges but his all round game was poor. Terry made some really basic errors too. Thought them bringing on Luiz was a disasterous decision too. He doesn't just look like Krusty, he really is a clown! I refrain to rate Ashley Cole because no matter how well or poorly he plays as far as I am concerned he is always a **** who doesn't even deserve a 1!
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
For me it seems that your expectations are very high (too high) when it comes to defenders. Against good teams sometimes defenders will get done, when put under pressure some mistakes will be made.
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
I don't disagree, but it's the amount of mistakes they make and the types of mistakes. For example in the second half Terry had an easy header to deal with and it glanced sideways off of his head because he took his eye of the ball. That's bad, no matter who the player is. There is also a difference between a defender being outplayed, or making a mistake. On one occasion Drogba turned Kaboul and left him trailing. I don't blame Kaboul for that, Drogba is a superb player and he simply outfoxed him. Contrast that to Kaboul planting his feet and misjudging the flight of the ball so it goes past him and Gallas brings down a player in the box trying a last ditch challenge, that's bad defending. And the sort of level we're aspiring to achieve defenders will make one or two mistakes like that every few games. Not a few mistakes like that EVERY game.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Friedel 6 Rooted to his line a bit too much, Walker gonaded him for it on one occasion.
Walker 7 Good going forward with the absence of Lennon
Gallas 8 Seems to raise his game when he plays at former club's grounds and feeds off the abuse. Excellent!
Kaboul 6 Lost Drogba on more than one occasion.
Ekotto 6 Switched off as tends to do at times.
Parker 7 Hopefully getting back to his best. Stuck to what he's good at i.e. putting out fires, keeping things simple.
Sandro 6 Can't keep expecting him to play blinders after prolonged spells on the bench.
Bale 6 Far too many shots from long range, none of which troubled Cech. Missed an opportunity playing against a very poor RB in Bosingwa.
Modric 8 Outsanding today. Would have finished with an assist if Adebayor had taken his chance.
VDV 7 Not in his preferred position, but good range of passing. Should have buried his chance though.
Adebayor 6 Looked up for it and led the line well, but not clinical enough in front of goal.
Saha 6
Livermore 6
Can't blame Redknapp for his tactics or team selection today, both were spot on. Our set pieces weren't a complete joke today and we dealt with the threats at the other end so that's a positive. Chelsea were poor and were there for the taking, but a point is a step in the right direction and we should be confident of beating them at Wembley should we progress. Lets follow this up with a win on Tuesday COYS!!!!
Walker 7 Good going forward with the absence of Lennon
Gallas 8 Seems to raise his game when he plays at former club's grounds and feeds off the abuse. Excellent!
Kaboul 6 Lost Drogba on more than one occasion.
Ekotto 6 Switched off as tends to do at times.
Parker 7 Hopefully getting back to his best. Stuck to what he's good at i.e. putting out fires, keeping things simple.
Sandro 6 Can't keep expecting him to play blinders after prolonged spells on the bench.
Bale 6 Far too many shots from long range, none of which troubled Cech. Missed an opportunity playing against a very poor RB in Bosingwa.
Modric 8 Outsanding today. Would have finished with an assist if Adebayor had taken his chance.
VDV 7 Not in his preferred position, but good range of passing. Should have buried his chance though.
Adebayor 6 Looked up for it and led the line well, but not clinical enough in front of goal.
Saha 6
Livermore 6
Can't blame Redknapp for his tactics or team selection today, both were spot on. Our set pieces weren't a complete joke today and we dealt with the threats at the other end so that's a positive. Chelsea were poor and were there for the taking, but a point is a step in the right direction and we should be confident of beating them at Wembley should we progress. Lets follow this up with a win on Tuesday COYS!!!!
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
But attacking players make mistakes as well, VdV not being able to place a volley past the goalie from 7 yards for example. I think you're being very harsh, for example on Ekotto, Walker and Kaboul.
I see players for other top teams making similar mistakes to this quite regularly as well. Only last week Jose Enrique, who has been mentioned as one of those "clearly better" than Ekotto in the past on this board made a series of errors, and again today I watched a bit of their game and he made a mistake. In the end Chelsea only had 9 shots in the entire game, that's at Stamford Bridge. Yet you're rating 2 of our defenders and one of our defensive midfielders at a 5 or below using words such as "absolute liability". If they were that poor why weren't Chelsea able to take advantage of that and create more chances?