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Keep/Sell - who?
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spurspinter1
Steve Carr
The disappointing thing for me is that we’ve actually spent a fair old wedge in the last 7/8 seasons. Despite this, there’s a fairly strong case for writing half the squad off as deadwood.
I won’t do the full list as it’ll be very similar to others on here, it’s just mad how much money (not to mention time!!!) we put in to N’Dombele and GLC. Neither seem to be able to knit the play together as you’d hope a playmaker could, as well as neither being a safe bet for the 2 CM spots in the 3-4-3 with wide forwards...Anyone who would’ve predicted how poorly both big money signings have gone so far probably would’ve come across as glass well and truly empty.
We’ll never get answers but different departments of the club must have come together to make the decision, I don’t want to lay blame at all but I would like to understand Poch’s teams thinking, of how they were going to get those two players in the first XI, especially as Dele could play football back then..
I won’t do the full list as it’ll be very similar to others on here, it’s just mad how much money (not to mention time!!!) we put in to N’Dombele and GLC. Neither seem to be able to knit the play together as you’d hope a playmaker could, as well as neither being a safe bet for the 2 CM spots in the 3-4-3 with wide forwards...Anyone who would’ve predicted how poorly both big money signings have gone so far probably would’ve come across as glass well and truly empty.
We’ll never get answers but different departments of the club must have come together to make the decision, I don’t want to lay blame at all but I would like to understand Poch’s teams thinking, of how they were going to get those two players in the first XI, especially as Dele could play football back then..
afsoc4life
Vedran Corluka
GK - Lloris, Gollini. I am worried about the strength behind those two. I would sell none.
CB - Dier, Romero, Sanchez, Rodon, Tanganga. I would sell none. If I was forced to sell, bye bye Rodon.
RB - Doherty, Emerson Royal. I would sell Doherty.
LB - Davies, Sessegnon, Reguilon. I would sell Sessegnon.
DM - Skipp, Hojberg, Winks. I would previously have sold Winks but I have seen something to grant him more time.
CM - Ndombele, Lo Celso, Dele Alli. I would sell Dele Alli.
Wingers - Moura, Bergwijn, Clarke, Bryan Gil. I would sell Clarke and loan out Bryan Gil. Gil is not physically ready for this league.
Forwards - Kane, Scarlett, Son. I would loan out Scarlett. We need another forward. Perhaps recall Parrott from loan. Tempted to sell Kane but we need bodies in this position.
CB - Dier, Romero, Sanchez, Rodon, Tanganga. I would sell none. If I was forced to sell, bye bye Rodon.
RB - Doherty, Emerson Royal. I would sell Doherty.
LB - Davies, Sessegnon, Reguilon. I would sell Sessegnon.
DM - Skipp, Hojberg, Winks. I would previously have sold Winks but I have seen something to grant him more time.
CM - Ndombele, Lo Celso, Dele Alli. I would sell Dele Alli.
Wingers - Moura, Bergwijn, Clarke, Bryan Gil. I would sell Clarke and loan out Bryan Gil. Gil is not physically ready for this league.
Forwards - Kane, Scarlett, Son. I would loan out Scarlett. We need another forward. Perhaps recall Parrott from loan. Tempted to sell Kane but we need bodies in this position.
afsoc4life
Vedran Corluka
Chelsea would not be interested in 2021 Kane especially the version that refuses to stay in the box. Son is the most likely to be picked by Chelsea if they had a choice. Kane's stock has fallen.
I guess the answer is probably that they knew the Eriksen situation and had the best intentions to build squad depth. There was also an argument that GLC was a bit more attacking and could plug that gap wide right of the 3 behind Kane.
There was an interesting thread on Twitter earlier about how Brighton for example can’t afford to pay the money we do, so what they’ve done is work with different means (proper scouting, data etc) to identify players that play in a certain way and can play together. What they’ve ended up with is a group of players that play very nicely together, but ultimately lack any cutting edge, which is probably why they were where they were prior.
We’ve essentially got the opposite of that imo. A bunch of individuals who have very good skill sets but ultimately it seems we cannot develop a system that gets the best out of them. When we did eventually up the tempo against Leeds last week it still wasn’t pretty but we did get the job done, whereas Brighton couldn’t against the same opposition.
You obviously can’t judge both clubs on a pair of games over the course of one week but it does ring true for both imo.
This is why the next 2 windows are so important (January don’t solve everything). The manager simply has to have a strategy that identifies certain players that he knows will carry out his demands.
You really think Kane would drop deep at Chelsea? He’s dropping deep because we are playing a 7-0-3. Chelsea are camped on the box of the opposition most of the time, he wouldn’t be dropping deep for them.
Setting aside the general low level of quality (beyond the first 11 in particular) I think our main problem is simply that we lack creativity i.e. the connection between defensive (and defensive players) and the attackers. The main three players who should provide this are Ndombele, GLC and Dele...all not performing for different reasons, but its concentrated in the same area of the pitch.
We have other problems obviously, but I feel that is our main one
Correct. See my post above re: Kane dropping deep. I don’t even think any of those 3 knit play together that well. Need a proper connector that can score also.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Also Lo Celso and Ndombele were bought for a particular style of possession football. 3 months later we sacked that manager and bought in an anti-football long ball merchant.
It's was a sliding doors moment, but I think both would have had very different careers with us if we'd kept Poch, or brought in a continuity progressive coach like Naglesman or Ten Hag in 2019, like we should have done
It's was a sliding doors moment, but I think both would have had very different careers with us if we'd kept Poch, or brought in a continuity progressive coach like Naglesman or Ten Hag in 2019, like we should have done
Lo Celso and Ndombele are on their third manager since Poch (not counting Mason).
2.5 seasons later its getting to the stage where maybe we need to stop imagining what they might have looked like under Poch and instead take the evidence at face value. They’re not good enough.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Said everyone about Dembele and Rose in 2014. If Conte decides to bin them off, then fair enough. But the zigzaging in direction and having two very poor coaches are extenuating circumstances, which might still be remedied (though we'll need to see progress in the next 6 or so weeks)
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
SteveAWOL
Chris Jones
Hopefully we can at least snap up another competent CF so Kane isn’t run into the ground.
Lemonade Money
Les Medley
Should've kept him, even for £30m.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
I agree.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Nah
Should have got Danny Ings for that much money
Or done more research into other players out there
To get rid of Lamela, Bale and Vinicius in one window and add no attacking players is one of the biggest pieces of squad negligence I’ve seen in a long long time.
I said it before a ball was kicked and the window was still open. Amazes me they let it happen.