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Jose Mourinho - SACKED

Finney Is Back said:
Who are those players do we think? Which players were not even on the bench? (ignoring Lamela as he was suspended).
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Winks was the only absentee without a listed excuse iirc, Aurier & Alderweireld were both down as ill.

Interesting that Tanganga & Rodon were in ahead of Doherty & Dier though, although the latter played 120 minutes(?) midweek so likely just a fitness issue

As far as rumored shake ups go it was pretty tame/a non event
 
Baleforce said:
Quite, although, how else are we to judge what we should receive for an asset than look at actual deals involving similar ability players?
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You can and of course should look at the market rates going around but you have to also take into considering demand. Whatever you might think of Eriksen's and Hazard's ability level, one of those players was in absolute high demand by one of the biggest spenders on the game and the other wasn't.

We needed to understand that we had to sell and pricing him more reasonably might well have gotten us more money than we ended up with when you think of the low transfer fee and the extended period of paying his wages without the performances.
 
Bishop said:
You can and of course should look at the market rates going around but you have to also take into considering demand. Whatever you might think of Eriksen's and Hazard's ability level, one of those players was in absolute high demand by one of the biggest spenders on the game and the other wasn't.

We needed to understand that we had to sell and pricing him more reasonably might well have gotten us more money than we ended up with when you think of the low transfer fee and the extended period of paying his wages without the performances.
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I don't think we wanted to sell Eriksen, nor that he would have left a Tottenham team that was fighting at the top of the PL with him a key player for anything other than a dream move - assuming we're talking about the years before he eventually moved.
 
billyiddo said:
I don't think we wanted to sell Eriksen, nor that he would have left a Tottenham team that was fighting at the top of the PL with him a key player for anything other than a dream move - assuming we're talking about the years before he eventually moved.
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I know we didn't want to sell, we absolutely wanted him to stay and offered a massive new co tract to him but he made it clear he wasn't going to sign with his actions. In the game you have to be proactive and that's what the great DoF are, they understand the rhythm of the squad and made those tough decisions when they need to be made.

A lot can be said about the fan reaction to both selling Eriksen at that point and for what many would have considered a low fee. If though we had replaced him well no one would be talking about it, instead Levy would be gaining or the pluadits for expert transfer maneuvering.

Then when you consider our upcoming cash issues at time, selling Eriksen and using that money to stop the squad going stale was probably exactly what we needed to do. I don't want to get into the Grealish debate, but he could have been had for probably half of what we would have sold Eriksen for at the time leaving a little left over to add to the squad in other ways.
 
I think i addressed that mate, i don't think he would have left for anything other than a top tier club at that point and the fact he ended up at Inter when going for cheap would suggest none of that level were interested...


Edit: you gotta remember most moves would have been a step down or sideways at best for him if you took out Barca/Real and didn't want to sell domestically.
 
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thfcsteff said:
Indeed.
Call me old fashioned, but after the team you manage eases a win following a fudging terrible week, the last thing I'd expect is a photo of you with the clam that is John Terry regardless of your history.
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This is so funny....I was gonna tease you with this on Sunday night. The long drawn out embrace with JT after the final whistle. Was going to ask what kind of frame you'd like for the picture?.:)

I knew that moment would disgust you, you obviously missed it, but Jose made sure the world had a second chance to catch up.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Who are those players do we think? Which players were not even on the bench? (ignoring Lamela as he was suspended).
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Easy to guess, difficult to know.

I think it's about more than just performances on the pitch, as Lloris talked about in that interview. To me it's about demanding the best both from yourself and others every day in training and in games. Speaking up, pushing each other.
 
billyiddo said:
I think i addressed that mate, i don't think he would have left for anything other than a top tier club at that point and the fact he ended up at Inter when going for cheap would suggest none of that level were interested...


Edit: you gotta remember most moves would have been a step down or sideways at best for him if you took out Barca/Real and didn't want to sell domestically.
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Eriksen seems the type to be fairly introspective, if we had told him his time at the club was up and we were selling I think he might have taken a second tier club. Especially with him being on the open market with a decent fee attached would have shown him Barca's and Real's lack of interest imo.
 
braineclipse said:
Easy to guess, difficult to know.

I think it's about more than just performances on the pitch, as Lloris talked about in that interview. To me it's about demanding the best both from yourself and others every day in training and in games. Speaking up, pushing each other.
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My point is that if there are those sorts of problems then one would expect the manager to take those players out of the match day squad completely. I was enquiring as to what first team players we had who weren't suspended that didn't get on the bench as I didn't really pay any attention to who was on our bench on Sunday so only knew of the subs that made it onto the pitch.
 
Bishop said:
Eriksen seems the type to be fairly introspective, if we had told him his time at the club was up and we were selling I think he might have taken a second tier club. Especially with him being on the open market with a decent fee attached would have shown him Barca's and Real's lack of interest imo.
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I would be extremely surprised if a £40 million fee in the summer of 2019 hadn't flushed out interest from quite a large number of clubs. For example I think I remember Atletico Madrid enquiring about him that summer only to be put off by the price.
 
Bishop said:
Eriksen seems the type to be fairly introspective, if we had told him his time at the club was up and we were selling I think he might have taken a second tier club. Especially with him being on the open market with a decent fee attached would have shown him Barca's and Real's lack of interest imo.
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I find it hard to think that a club performing well would actively look to sell one its most important players in this way tbh

Edit : if we're talking about 2019 the window before he eventually left i don't see why we wouldn't have taken a reduced fee
 
billyiddo said:
I find it hard to think that a club performing well would actively look to sell one its most important players in this way tbh
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If that player's contract is coming to an end and they don't seem willing to sign an extension (he wasn't) then you have to sell.

That's the job of the DoF/Chairman to keep the plates of the squad warm, to forsee any player co tract issues that might be on the horizon.

Like Finney says a 40m-60m Eriksen in 2019 may well have enticed his desired clubs or shown him that they were not interested period. Then he would have had a decision to make, re-sign here or go to a club like Athletico or Dortmund or similar.

By doing nothing we didn't give him or us the opportunity to make the best of the situation.
 
billyiddo said:
I find it hard to think that a club performing well would actively look to sell one its most important players in this way tbh

Edit : if we're talking about 2019 the window before he eventually left i don't see why we wouldn't have taken a reduced fee
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Ps. We are running head first into the same situation with Son. We either need to get a new co tract signed or sell at the highest possible premium that will actually get a sale and reinvest.

And I love Son, but I love Spurs more.
 
Bishop said:
Ps. We are running head first into the same situation with Son. We either need to get a new co tract signed or sell at the highest possible premium that will actually get a sale and reinvest.

And I love Son, but I love Spurs more.
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Indeed. If Son isn't close to signing a new deal by July then we'll have to instruct agents to find a buyer I think as in Summer 2022 he'll be worth only £30 million or so (and at that point may even decide to sit 6 months out before signing a pre contract deal somewhere).
 
thfcsteff said:
Indefensible arrogance from a man who has thus far failed in his mission here with aplomb. I look forward to his GG "Mourinistas" springing to their feet in slavish defence. But the truth is, if your mate spoke to you like that you'd tell him to learn how to communicate (at best) or go and fudge himself (more possibly)...

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...cs-mourinistas-one-of-most-important-managers
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fudging hell, that's a scary interview. I know you need confidence but that's a proper narcissist talking.
 
thfcsteff said:
Indefensible arrogance from a man who has thus far failed in his mission here with aplomb. I look forward to his GG "Mourinistas" springing to their feet in slavish defence. But the truth is, if your mate spoke to you like that you'd tell him to learn how to communicate (at best) or go and fudge himself (more possibly)...

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...cs-mourinistas-one-of-most-important-managers
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Surely there are t actually really people out there who support a manager instead of a team?.... Well other than Baleforce maybe? :D
 
thfcsteff said:
It will be something to see who can defend him on this.
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For me Jose is very close to failing the minimum objectives that have been set for previous managers of the club. There is still the remote possibility that he delivers a trophy or top 4, or both or deliver our worst league finish without a trophy for nearly 20 years.

If I was playing devils advocate, he has referred to himself as one of the greatest managers in the game, which I think history will remember him as. The debate is whether he still is or was!
The NASA comment, of course comparing football to rocket science is extreme. Just ask Ian Dowie!

But he is correct that the level of scrutiny is huge and this place is evidence enough that there is a huge wave of opinion on every decision that is made, many of which are difficult to prove are anything other than a theory with less available information and experience of making the level of decisions he has been making for over 20 years.

One could infer he is embracing the technology that has given fans the channel to ask these questions directly, as it seems these quotes can from a virtual event.

The Mourinhista - the headline needs to entice a click, even for the Saints that run Grauniad. A link to this was sent to me with the impression that Jose’s motivation is for his personal fans as opposed to the fans of Tottenham Hotspur. What I read from this is despite a public kicking he has been receiving (not unjustified in terms of results and performances imo) is that he draws strength from those who believe in him, so the same people that he’s never met who criticise are offset with those who are unwavering on his support.

don’t get me wrong, it would take a big upturn in the run in for me to change my view that he is not right for us on results and progression alone, but as we are a one game swing from 4th and a one off match to win a much coveted trophy things can change very quickly. The article doesn’t really change my feelings but will come back bite him if he does indeed fail here. I saw Bale has upset people with comments regarding his motivation to get fit for Wales and return to Madrid but again there’s still a few more games to come before we can’t truly judge whether his time on the pitch here has been a success.
 
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