Jose Mourinho - SACKED

[Baleforce]

you have certain obligations in European competitions relating to that - didn't we get done in for treating the intertoto cup in a similar fashion/?


not sure why two days away from the training pitch should be that much of a problem - leave a trusted deputy in you place

I get there are rules for players, I've never seen anything about coaching staff though, although I admit I've not looked that hard.

edit: all I can find is that team sheets need to be validated by a "competent club official"

 

[billyiddo]

Mourinhos successful teams have always had an identity, he's just known for being tactically astute and nullifies the opposition in big games but game to game in the league his succesful teams have generally played the same way.


The idea that the plan is to flip our approach game to game depending on our opponents whilst having a complete lack of prep time due to an insanely tight schedule is laughable - the reason we don't look like we have a plan after this amount of time is because... we don't have one

 

[AdamB]

Mourinho has been in the job going on 16 months now. Honestly, can anyone see any coaching he has implemented within the team apart from the low-block?
I'm not seeing any kind of coaching and my fears that he hasn't really been a coach worth the name since 1st January 2015 has now been confirmed after what seemed like a change of tack in recent weeks,

The West Ham game we were unlucky overall, but yesterday he was out-coached by Mikel Arteta to add to the long list now: Potter, Klopp, Pep, Tuchel, some may say Moyes, Lampard, Solksjaer etc etc

Can anyone show me the actual coaching extras that Jose is bringing? I'm not seeing anything that a Pulis or Allardyce couldn't also bring tbh...

It's not like we have a crap squad or anything; an attack-minded manager could have a real impact with our attacking options tbh; some of the best we've seen in our club since the PL started. But ZERO coaching/cohesion beyond getting it to Son or Kane or Moura/Bale doing something fantastic

Very similar to his period at Utd. Some very low spells (like we had in Dec/Jan), some period when it looked like it might work (like we had recently), some spats with players and the media, defensive tactics etc

He's always been pitched as a results manager, particularly given the football has often been dire to watch (though ours recently was good) so he lives and dies based on the results.

Question whether if we miss out on top 4 as seems more likely than not, then given he's meant to be a results manager, whether Levy will give him a chance next season? Would a cup be allowed to paper over the cracks, particularly if its the EL?

Its going to be a tough call for Levy....

 

[Baleforce]

EL is definitely fine, we get the CL place so season isn't a failure, its not a success either.

I think even without CL Levy gives him another year, but only one, we have to be in the CL.

 

[Raziel]

Very similar to his period at Utd. Some very low spells (like we had in Dec/Jan), some period when it looked like it might work (like we had recently), some spats with players and the media, defensive tactics etc

He's always been pitched as a results manager, particularly given the football has often been dire to watch (though ours recently was good) so he lives and dies based on the results.

Question whether if we miss out on top 4 as seems more likely than not, then given he's meant to be a results manager, whether Levy will give him a chance next season? Would a cup be allowed to paper over the cracks, particularly if its the EL?

Its going to be a tough call for Levy....

No Europe, no cup = no chance

EL +perhaps CC, +top 8 spot = hard to not give him a chance

EL alone, loss CC final, outside of top 8 = unlikely

 

[90291Spur]

Pretty scathing analysis by Jenas and to be honest, i don't see much he's got wrong here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56393306

After showing in 3 successive matches we have great attacking ability and need to play on the front foot, Jose went back to type and invited Arsenal on to us, and the result was as expected.

And then, with 10 players on the pitch, when we actually went forward, we showed Arsenal shat themselves. Imagine if we had some of that intent in the first half instead of sitting back. So disappointing.

From Jenas:
If I were Bale, I would be annoyed at being dragged off before the hour mark of a north London derby, because I would be looking around thinking I've been no worse than anyone else here.

Mourinho might just have sent that relationship back to ground zero as well.

maybe we can pay some attention to Jose’s handling of the players when it comes from an ex-players.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Assuming this is a serious question, what are you looking for? players/system/patterns?

- We are not a system team, which seemingly confuses pundits/internet, i.e. -> we don't play exactly the same way each game does not equal we don't have coaching.
- The Scum/Arteta did not beat us on tactics, they beat us on effort and actually Arteta's subs almost cost him in last 20 mins

What do you see?

- Aurier is a better defender
- Lucas playing a number 10 role with a high press
- Kane playing a deeper role that has increased his assists to record PL levels
- Ndombele playing the deep CM role
- Bale playing a deep right role (often behind RB) that allows him to use his passing
- Various blocks, we have played low/medium/high, usually with a counterattack

What do you not see

- We have not fixed the dead tempo/don't turn up issue that has seemingly plagued us long before Jose
- We haven't figured out how to transition between parts of games, i.e. when we slow the pace, we surrender initiative and often struggle to get back in match.

Not like his pragmatism or approach = sure, he needs to be accountable for results, but to say we are uncoached is a bit of a stretch.

I'm looking for coaching that gets us to be cohesive and not overly reliant on world class players pulling a rabbit out of a hat in most games.
Plus some effort, which should be the minimal we can expect away to our deadliest rivals, The fact Jose set us up so passively against a team with as many defensive calamities as anyone says a lot. We weren't away to City or Liverpool!
Why not attack in the same way we have been recently? I don't mean gung-ho Ossie Ardiles style, but a measured but committed way to exploit their weaknesses instead of sitting back passively allowing them to continually exploit ours (Doherty with the constant 2 v 1s). Where was the coaching there? Or is Arteta a coaching heavyweight now that is hard to nullify?

All those things you mentioned don't seem to be seen when we go up against an opponent who actually is decent and is prepared to attack us. Only mainly seems to be shown when we are playing teams we would EXPECT to win against. Again, i'm not seeing what Jose with all his vaunted reputation is bringing to the table. Many of the teams above us would kills for our attacking squad options , even if they wouldn't want our defence (and even that could be made more effectively with more rounded attacking coaching, which i'm not really seeing as i say when it really matters..)

 

[billyiddo]

It's all a bit Tim Sherwood really, beat the brick teams and struggle to even get a point v anyone decent.

Harsh, but he's always said judge him on results and that's what the results are showing atm

 

[glorygloryeze]

Very similar to his period at Utd. Some very low spells (like we had in Dec/Jan), some period when it looked like it might work (like we had recently), some spats with players and the media, defensive tactics etc

He's always been pitched as a results manager, particularly given the football has often been dire to watch (though ours recently was good) so he lives and dies based on the results.

Question whether if we miss out on top 4 as seems more likely than not, then given he's meant to be a results manager, whether Levy will give him a chance next season? Would a cup be allowed to paper over the cracks, particularly if its the EL?

Its going to be a tough call for Levy....

The main problem will be that the spotlight of blame will again fall on Levy.
I must say i'd be tempted to thank Jose for his efforts and pay him off even if we did somehow get top 4/win the EL. I guess if we did either of those from this point it would be truly amazing but going forward it might depend on how it was done. If it was fluky, park-the-bus style, i'd think of the future and whether Jose really is the person to take the team and build it going forwards.

Time and again in last year and 4 months when Jose has had opportunities to step up and take opportunities given to us by rivals dropping points etc he continues to not only blow it but stink the place out whilst doing so. We have some squad issues (e.g. soft CB underbelly) but mostly our issues come from lack of actual coaching and style. His reactions when Kane or Son are not available say it all and i must say the likes of Bergwijn, Vinicius, Regullion, Sessegnon under a coach who actually does attacking and team interplay coaching (including some possession play) would be so far ahead of where they are currently. We have a very good squad who should not be behind the likes of Everton, West Ham and arguably Leicester

 

[Bedfordspurs]

The main problem will be that the spotlight of blame will again fall on Levy.
I must say i'd be tempted to thank Jose for his efforts and pay him off even if we did somehow get top 4/win the EL. I guess if we did either of those from this point it would be truly amazing but going forward it might depend on how it was done. If it was fluky, park-the-bus style, i'd think of the future and whether Jose really is the person to take the team and build it going forwards.

Time in the history of Spurs we had opportunities to step up and take opportunities given to us by rivals dropping points etc he continues to not only blow it but stink the place out whilst doing so. We have some squad issues (e.g. soft CB underbelly) but mostly our issues come from lack of actual coaching and style. His reactions when Kane or Son are not available say it all and i must say the likes of Bergwijn, Vinicius, Regullion, Sessegnon under a coach who actually does attacking and team interplay coaching (including some possession play) would be so far ahead of where they are currently. We have a very good squad who should not be behind the likes of Everton, West Ham and arguably Leicester

Corrected it for you

 

[Finney Is Back]

The main problem will be that the spotlight of blame will again fall on Levy.
I must say i'd be tempted to thank Jose for his efforts and pay him off even if we did somehow get top 4/win the EL. I guess if we did either of those from this point it would be truly amazing but going forward it might depend on how it was done. If it was fluky, park-the-bus style, i'd think of the future and whether Jose really is the person to take the team and build it going forwards.

Time and again in last year and 4 months when Jose has had opportunities to step up and take opportunities given to us by rivals dropping points etc he continues to not only blow it but stink the place out whilst doing so. We have some squad issues (e.g. soft CB underbelly) but mostly our issues come from lack of actual coaching and style. His reactions when Kane or Son are not available say it all and i must say the likes of Bergwijn, Vinicius, Regullion, Sessegnon under a coach who actually does attacking and team interplay coaching (including some possession play) would be so far ahead of where they are currently. We have a very good squad who should not be behind the likes of Everton, West Ham and arguably Leicester

Levy is not blameless.... he had a man who had us punching above our weight for 4 or 5 consecutive seasons. He didn’t back him very well and then sacked him when he had his first downturn.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Corrected it for you

Hah, true. But Jose is meant to be "The Special One" to take us to another level when it comes to that. He's not even able to beat the likes of Fulham or Arsenal when a chance to jump into or close on the top 4. For all Poch's faults he'd almost always be able to do that.

So the question becoms: what is Jose "The Special One" actually good for? What is he bringing to the table that others who are 'less special' can't?

 

[glorygloryeze]

Levy is not blameless.... he had a man who had us punching above our weight for 4 or 5 consecutive seasons. He didn’t back him very well and then sacked him when he had his first downturn.

As a general point i agree. And i did feel last January he didn't back Jose in terms of getting in a big lump of a number 9 to hoof it to in the absence of Kane. It should have been known that without that tactic Jose is without much more plans in terms of attack. If you are going to hire Jose, you can't then act like we still have Poch.

But then again, he has been backed this summer and we ares till not seeing what Jose The Coach can bring to the table. So this summer imo is going to be huge for the club going forward in terms of sticking or twisting (as Jose will not change his spots at this stage of his career)

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Hah, true. But Jose is meant to be "The Special One" to take us to another level when it comes to that. He's not even able to beat the likes of Fulham or Arsenal when a chance to jump into or close on the top 4. For all Poch's faults he'd almost always be able to do that.

So the question becoms: what is Jose "The Special One" actually good for? What is he bringing to the table that others who are 'less special' can't?

He did get is top of the league for the longest period in premier league history
That scared the hell out of me TBH

 

[90291Spur]

Hah, true. But Jose is meant to be "The Special One" to take us to another level when it comes to that. He's not even able to beat the likes of Fulham or Arsenal when a chance to jump into or close on the top 4. For all Poch's faults he'd almost always be able to do that.

So the question becoms: what is Jose "The Special One" actually good for? What is he bringing to the table that others who are 'less special' can't?

He's been great for the club's international profile in terms of social media followers and the Amazon reality Show. And he has encouraged a lot of lively and convivial debate on here.

 

[glorygloryeze]

He's been great for the club's international profile in terms of social media followers and the Amazon reality Show. And he has encouraged a lot of lively and convivial debate on here.

All very true

 

[MKSpur]

From Jenas:
If I were Bale, I would be annoyed at being dragged off before the hour mark of a north London derby, because I would be looking around thinking I've been no worse than anyone else here.

Mourinho might just have sent that relationship back to ground zero as well.

maybe we can pay some attention to Jose’s handling of the players when it comes from an ex-players.

I read that article and I agreed with most of what Jenas said (he had many faults but usually brought his best to the NLD game) but Bale had no right to be surprised at his substitution. He’s going to need to be utilised as a flat track bully against the lesser teams and maybe an impact sub against any team that might have some attacking intent.

 

[billyiddo]

I read that article and I agreed with most of what Jenas said (he had many faults but usually brought his best to the NLD game) but Bale had no right to be surprised at his substitution. He’s going to need to be utilised as a flat track bully against the lesser teams and maybe an impact sub against any team that might have some attacking intent.

Yeah I'm not sure after that display whether we can carry Bale in these sorts of games.

Clearly needs a free role of sorts, free from off the ball responsibility

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Yes it’s from Alistair Gold but does highlight what my Norwich supporting friend said about Jose
Yes it wouldn’t fix a coaching issue but it’s fudging odd to have a manager shouting and the players doing the opposite

 

[glorygloryeze]

Perhaps it's because they don't actually do said coaching or practice during the week and just turn up on the matchday shouting the odds and the players freeze because they actually don't get taught what the 'shouting' seems to want them to do.

A bit like a fan in the ground shouting the odds perhaps?