Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
The media were but I don't think those on this board were at all. Arnesen was massively valued.
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Jose Mourinho - SACKED
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We need a manager who will help us refresh/rebuild the team over 2-3 years and then hopefully stay for a similar period at least beyond that to reap the rewards.
Given Allegri's time at Juve, I'd expect that he'd be off to someone richer well before that period whether Real, Barca, Milan/Inter,.
Could be memories but I distinctly remember the view being SAF & Wenger were the success model and we should not be trying to copy a "stupid European thing"
Later Arnesen was valued
Not sure I see it mate, what manager is going to make 6 years? (I wouldn't be surprised if Klopp doesn't at Pool with winning CL & PL)
StephenH
David Ginola
Will be a bit OTT for a mid-table non-european competitor.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
In the media yes. On here, I don't think so.
It has always seemed to me that those occasions when we had somebody in that got Levy further away from the transfers were the times that we seemed to get more deals over the line (both in and out).
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
The five and a half that Klopp has been in at Liverpool would do.
If Liverpool are stupid enough to get rid of Klopp then Levy needs to make sure he acts fast to be the person that gets the advantage of that.
NoLimits01
Goran Bunjevcevic
I do not want that gurning psychopath at my club
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
It's a hard no from me too.
Agreed that there's no guarantee, but with some managers you can be pretty certain that they won't be around in 5 years whether because of age, or their regularity of moves or whatever reason.
I think we need a manager something like Poch was when he arrived at Spurs, or perhaps a little more proven
Diamond Lights
Alan Hutton
Listened to Rule the Roost podcast, they bring up some fair points. We're not there anymore i'm afraid. Many managers at top clubs are usually 3 seasons or so, very few last 5+ years now. And we're no longer in the project team, ala Everton or Leicester. We're talked about as Big 6 so once Jose goes, expectations will be people such as Zidane, Allegri, that sort of player. Which doesn't fill me with hope tbh. But can't see it being a project type manager ala Poch.
metalgear
Luka Modric
Young manger with modern outlook = yesterday's Carlos kickaball
Takes more to be a top competitive team these days
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What does this even mean?
I dont think we're Everton or Leicester, but we dont have the means to buy finished article players who are mid 20s and cost £60m - £80m. At least not many of them. We need a manager who can grow players and a team.
The words 'or perhaps a little more proven' at the end of my post above shold perhaps have been stronger - I think there's a big difference between a Nagelsmann say, and a Allegri/Zidane. Rose at Borussia M, or Rodgers, or Nagelmann - more proven than Poch was and more likely to take a longer-term view IMO
Pragmatically/realistically
- We need a manager who will keep us in top 4 and provide the occasional shot at silverware until the economic return on the stadium starts to pay off and gives us the ability to buy more finished article players.
Hence to bring the it back to the thread, why the appointment of the current manager made sense on paper.
I don't see us going back to an "unknown/unexperienced" manager anytime soon.
Agree with why Jose made sense as an appointment - for exactly the reasons you mention.
I think where I differ from you is the 'keep us in top 4' part of your post.
I don't see us finishing top 4 this season. Question is whether its realistic to expect the players which we bring in this summer to lead us to top 4 next season.
Depending on your view on that (which comes down to how far off we are, how much we have to spend etc) probably leads you to different answers on (i) who would replace Jose if he leaves and (ii) the type of player which you sign this summer.
I agree we won't go for unknowns, but I'm not sure I see us going for the type of manager who Chelsea often hire - Conte, Ancelotti, Hiddink, Benitez, Grant, Scolari,...
We have a top 4 capable side, history and the fact that even after a dire run we are still 4 points off suggest that, will we get there this season? we would need to turn around our form considerably in next few weeks.
Next season we are as good a call as anyone for top 4
Chelsea is on the whim of RA, for every Ancelotti there is a weird one like Lampard or Grant
That's a bold call!!!
Bedfordspurs
Vinnie Samways
So what we’re looking for is an unproven, proven manager, who is young enough but experienced enough
And we need to sign players who are unproven but could develop (so are a gamble) and ones that the new guy is willing to work with and invest time in (the biggest commodity in football in short supply is time to course)
so who fits the bill???
what I’ll add is that we seem to do better playing wise with managers who we have recruited form within the prem. That familiarity with the needs of the league in normal circumstances is massive as we saw with Harry, Poch and Jol
so back to the unproven/proven conundrum... I guess we’re looking for a guy who has proved a side but maybe not win who has actually win anything as in reality so few managers have actually won much due to the power of the clubs with the £££ ?!?!
We also want a manager who’s team play good football as that’s clearly a Spurs requirement and the fans will not get behind a manager who doesn’t do that
Experience some people have said is important so I guess having some overseas experience is nice to have too.
Looking at that... your looking two managers potentially....
Ralph or potter
I don’t like managers who fawn after their hero’s when they beat them 1 nil at home... and I also have an issue with a team that gets battered more than once
potter has for the prem the hard way via overseas management. That’s a real positive in my book
He has also been in management 10 years so doesn’t have the baggage some may have
He has won manager of the year awards in Sweden but hasn’t won any honours as a manager
He is known for having a very flexible system and set up that means his tree has adapt during games (our team can’t adapt to anything currently)
I mean he is basically Poch but with floppy hair
Would he be accepted by our fans?!!
And we need to sign players who are unproven but could develop (so are a gamble) and ones that the new guy is willing to work with and invest time in (the biggest commodity in football in short supply is time to course)
so who fits the bill???
what I’ll add is that we seem to do better playing wise with managers who we have recruited form within the prem. That familiarity with the needs of the league in normal circumstances is massive as we saw with Harry, Poch and Jol
so back to the unproven/proven conundrum... I guess we’re looking for a guy who has proved a side but maybe not win who has actually win anything as in reality so few managers have actually won much due to the power of the clubs with the £££ ?!?!
We also want a manager who’s team play good football as that’s clearly a Spurs requirement and the fans will not get behind a manager who doesn’t do that
Experience some people have said is important so I guess having some overseas experience is nice to have too.
Looking at that... your looking two managers potentially....
Ralph or potter
I don’t like managers who fawn after their hero’s when they beat them 1 nil at home... and I also have an issue with a team that gets battered more than once
potter has for the prem the hard way via overseas management. That’s a real positive in my book
He has also been in management 10 years so doesn’t have the baggage some may have
He has won manager of the year awards in Sweden but hasn’t won any honours as a manager
He is known for having a very flexible system and set up that means his tree has adapt during games (our team can’t adapt to anything currently)
I mean he is basically Poch but with floppy hair
Would he be accepted by our fans?!!
Proven managers aren't going to go to a club unless they are already established at the top of the league with a strong team - these guys have done the nitty gritty in their careers already and want to go places where they're set up to succeed from the off.
We got Mourinho because he is on damage repair duty as far as his brand is concerned - that and he no doubt thought the squad/team was closer to our peak under Poch than it actually was.
Depending on how it pans out with JM, but assuming for the benefit of conversation that he leaves in the summer with us out of Europe/in Europa League - we are not going to be appointing a proven manager at the top of the game and it would be debatable whether that would be the right move anyway. What we would need is a manager on the up who has shown that he can move a team up a level or two over 2-3 years, a Poch type appointment but one a few rungs ahead of where he was when we appointed him tand who has perhaps shown that he can get an outsider team in to the CL abroad or done well in Europe on the big stage with a side from a less fashionable league.
We got Mourinho because he is on damage repair duty as far as his brand is concerned - that and he no doubt thought the squad/team was closer to our peak under Poch than it actually was.
Depending on how it pans out with JM, but assuming for the benefit of conversation that he leaves in the summer with us out of Europe/in Europa League - we are not going to be appointing a proven manager at the top of the game and it would be debatable whether that would be the right move anyway. What we would need is a manager on the up who has shown that he can move a team up a level or two over 2-3 years, a Poch type appointment but one a few rungs ahead of where he was when we appointed him tand who has perhaps shown that he can get an outsider team in to the CL abroad or done well in Europe on the big stage with a side from a less fashionable league.