Imagine that level of managerial focus applied to a CL final......
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Jose Mourinho - SACKED
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Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
Context dear boy, context - as you are so fond of saying!
We were playing 4411 at best ( Lamela is not a striker) or more like 451. Against Bournemouth, with H coming deep, it was more like 460.
spurspinter1
Pat van den Hauwe
I've been following the discussion loosely and sadly think it'll generally come down to semantics, you won't acknowledge Lamela as a striker in a 4-4-2 but it could be a 4-4-1-1 at best? Not having a go but more emphasising how differently we all understand labels in football that are either subjective or open to new interpretations. How do you explain the difference between the 2nd striker in a 4-4-2 and the 1st 1 in a 4-4-1-1? Like you say with Erik, not a striker but in the right team he could defo play as a false 9, and the false 9 at the end of the day is a striker role, just not in the orthodox manner so I don't think it can be said that he's not something or other. To me if you take average positions of most of our attacking players in the last couple of seasons, they'd be all over the place as we've had times of playing a 3 behind the striker where the player's had certain attributes; but not set positions geographically on the pitch in an inflexible approach.
I recall seeing that Sissoko "isn't a defensive midfielder" not so long ago on here but do then seem to recall the following game where he hustled and harried opponents in front of our back four and kept distribution simple (with the added odd charge forward of course). What else is a DM meant to do? Folks may say he's not an out and out DM, a traditional enforcer type but even then it depends on where you get your idea of what is traditional.... What then gets interesting (I mean...meh..but kind of...) is if everyone put forward who they considered the proper DMs in the premier league for example and there'd be a few common answers but then a lot of "well he's playing there but he's not really that position" or "I wouldn't call him a DM he's a box to box"..
Not trying to say there's no point in the discussion either but I feel like an easy way out before things get to a "you're wrong" stage is that slight lack of clarity in terminology.
What I will say is that you get a profoundly deeper appreciation of this side (formation and shape) of the game at the stadium as broadcasters wanna show you that replay of a crunching tackle 5 times in slow mo but won't ever actually give you perspective of the game. I mean real perspective of seeing what options are available at all times, quite often if we're honest up until the cameras pan we have no idea if it's a pinged beauty that's been lasered right in to the path of a forward or a CB has just gone "fudge it" and got rid as far as possible.
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Kandi1977
Garth Crooks
They actually changed the headline after I posted! When I posted it, it said 'Disgraceful decision not to ban City'!
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
We will never know what might've happened since we got fudged over in the first minute. I do agree that in a Final, Mourinho's experience and guile are incredible.
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
But would he have got us to the final in the first place... possibly but not probably
Certainly not in the manner we did and I can say had on heart the city away and Ajax away games I’ll remember for ever
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
Those two unbelievable games convinced me our name was on the cup. Sadly our luck ran out in the final.
MKSpur
Christian Ziege
I was thinking the same about Dele. I’m a huge fan but if Kane doesn’t have the legs to play up on his own then they could be competing for the same position? Under a low possession strategy I think Son is wasted playing wide.
Spurs7891
Jermaine Jenas
Not sure if Mourinho would have got us to the CL final. But I'm convinced he could have helped us win it in the Final. Pochettino just doesn't have the winning formula which Mourinho has.
Just because I like this kind of thing, here's a graph showing our rolling 5-match-points-average under Mourinho. Y-axis is points average. X-axis is number of matches.The horizontal line represents achieving 76 points in a season - a somewhat arbitrary benchmark of a decent points return. The first vertical line represents Kane getting injured. The second vertical line represents the covid-enforced break.
glasgowspur
Andy Thompson
Grays_1890
Barry Daines
A lot better today...always huge to follow up performance with another which we haven’t done.
Credit where due
Credit where due
Agreed. And 14 points from 7 games too. Should be 16 without the dodgy ref at Bournemouth
Grays_1890
Barry Daines
I scratch Bournemouth from my mind now as we were
spurspinter1
Pat van den Hauwe
Nice that Jose picks up a win at a ground that'll be dear to him! Felt bad that a few records will go out of the window so it's nice there was a at least one positive mark.
Legohamster
Ian Walker
I’m sure he’s desperate to get players in here, none more so than a striker as a threat to be able to drop/rotate those that are not passing.
we can’t continue to play like that
we can’t continue to play like that
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
If we’re re-evaluating points had VAR done it’s job since lockdown then, you can add 2 points for us and 1 point off Utd, also arguably 1 more point for us and 2 less for Sheff Utd. So 5 extra! Not that performances necessarily deserve that, but it wasn’t a pen v Utd, we should have been 1-1 v Sheff Utd and 1 up vs Bournemouth.
Bullet
Colin Calderwood
Is that true or are you just repeating a twitterer?
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
It’s true and that with the injuries which every team gets but we suffered more than most
What’s key though is the team know seem to know the basics of his plan