Jose Mourinho - SACKED

[billyiddo]

It’s also an easy thing to comment on things we ultimately know little about, no matter how much we like to think otherwise. Some seem to have forgotten how Poch was behaving in his final months, he massively hinted at leaving after the Champions League final and he looked completely burnt out and done by the time he was sacked - plenty on here said so. Painting Levy as the villain who just sacked Poch simply because of a poor run of form is lazy, Levy is far more calculating and long term thinking than that. If people here could see Poch was burnt out, Levy definitely could and as Poch couldn’t accept this himself Levy had to pull the trigger for the good of the club and Poch himself.....

Who is doing that?

 

[MKSpur]

I wonder if Mourinho looked at our team and thought he could easily sort the defence out, told Levy he’d only need to maybe add one or two defensive players at reasonable cost and quite easily use his experience to coach our relatively subservient team into a sudden impact of still getting us into CL and pick up a domestic cup, so he could claim he didn’t need to spend to be successful and attract even more of the plaudits Poch had (rightly) received. It would be a good one to have over Pep and as fans a domestic trophy would be enough to secure a legacy maybe appreciated mike than the hateful clams at Chelsea.
Now he’s been here for a over 6 months and the defending / mentality hasn’t improved, I wonder if he has under estimated the task in hand?

 

[Benny_Lad]

If you want to judge every manager on their first seven months, then the following managers should have been sacked.

Pep - Won nothing in his first season at City, despite having an already successful team with 100 million pound investment in the likes of Sterling and De Bruyne.

Klopp - Ended his first season 8th place, which was a very average team.

Poch - Didn't achieve much in his first season. Won nothing in his past six years.

Ole - In his first seven months, despite walking in the club and saying "Football is easy when you have good players" has spent 190 million replenishing the team Mourinho got to second place and has only taken them from 8th to 5th. Yet people praise the progress he has made.

In his last managerial position, Mourinho got United in five finals, winning three and came second. All this in two and a half seasons.

Yet obviously Mourinho is past it right.....

Sounds like you u think Jose will get us a few finals over the next few years. I hope you are right.

I personally don’t think he’s past it. I just think it’s an odd fit for a club on a limited budget looking to rebuild.

The timing is also bad for him. City and Liverpool are strong. United and Chelsea coming good again and strengthened/strengthening. Wolves and Leic both doing well. If Arsenal click he’s right up against it.

 

[parklane1]

I think its too early to ponder whether he was backed or not. Let's wait and see after this next window. It could be that he named a couple of targets and for whatever reason the clubs were not selling in January. Giroud is one example, rumour is the loan was all done then Frank pulled the plug in the last day or so, leaving Giroud tinkled off because he wanted some playing time before the Euros. I'm not saying Giroud would be his 1st choice in the summer but its known that with Kane missing he wanted him in January.
This summer window might be more difficult than a normal one but still, the potential to bring in (and shift unwanted players) is far easier than in January.

To much sense in that for those who dislike Jose/Levy and what they stand for. But of course what you say is right.

 

[parklane1]

Jose was very smart at utd, targeted trophies he knew they could win and did enough in the league to keep them in CL places.
I wish we were smart enough to have done that.
Instead of incremental gains over 5 years we went all out for the two biggest and hardest to win trophies in football.
With an inexperienced manager and team, relatively no money and in the middle of a stadium rebuild requiring no home games.
If he can do the same with us next season I'd be over the moon.

Agree, we passed up on winning some of what some fans regard as second class ( ie not worth winning) trophies, what some of those fans do not accept that winning things for good sides ( and we were a good side) becomes a habit and the more you win the bigger the desire grows.

So here we are several seasons later, having had a very good side and won nothing because we seemed to pick and choose what was important and what was not, now we have to start again and build another team. Thankfully we have a manager now who KNOWS what it is to be a winner and has the medals to prove it.

Now i expect there will be some who will say he is yesterdays man ( and they MAY) be right but i hope he is given time to show if he is or not, as some have said ( including me) there are some fans who dislike him and what he stands for and because of that will not stand back and give him that time, sad really because we should all want our team to become winners again.

 

[Modric THFC]

If you want to judge every manager on their first seven months, then the following managers should have been sacked.

Pep - Won nothing in his first season at City, despite having an already successful team with 100 million pound investment in the likes of Sterling and De Bruyne.

Klopp - Ended his first season 8th place, which was a very average team.

Poch - Didn't achieve much in his first season. Won nothing in his past six years.

Ole - In his first seven months, despite walking in the club and saying "Football is easy when you have good players" has spent 190 million replenishing the team Mourinho got to second place and has only taken them from 8th to 5th. Yet people praise the progress he has made.

In his last managerial position, Mourinho got United in five finals, winning three and came second. All this in two and a half seasons.

Yet obviously Mourinho is past it right.....

Well done to all those managers that spent money improving their teams.
Meanwhile we have taken out a £175m government loan to keep us going during the pandemic.
It has to be paid back in full next April.

We have no transfer funds.
We will have to sell first to generate funds.
The teams that usually buy our players, the likes of Besikas, Athleico Madrid, Marseilles, Schalke, Roma, West Brom, Norwich, will all be in an even worse state.
They wont be stumping up 15m for Nacer Chadli or 19m for Kevin Wimmer again.

This transfer window will be about loans and free transfers.

The only teams with money (United, City, Chelsea, Bayern maybe, PSG) will be taking advantage offering half what players were worth. They will get stronger not us.
And no they aren't gonna be bailing us out buying the likes of Aurier or Sissoko off us.
And Levy is not gonna sell assets like Son or Kane at half price to fund Mourinho rebuild.

So whatever plans Mourinho and Levy had are long gone.
We are in huge trouble for the next few years regardless what manager is here.

I was never in favour of Mourinho but I might have been wrong.
But with the financial situation now we will never get to chance to see what would have happened. You guys could all have been proven right and we'd be all happy.

But in this situation now he hasn't a hope.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Well done to all those managers that spent money improving their teams.
Meanwhile we have taken out a £175m government loan to keep us going during the pandemic.
It has to be paid back in full next April.

We have no transfer funds.
We will have to sell first to generate funds.
The teams that usually buy our players, the likes of Besikas, Athleico Madrid, Marseilles, Schalke, Roma, West Brom, Norwich, will all be in an even worse state.
They wont be stumping up 15m for Nacer Chadli or 19m for Kevin Wimmer again.

This transfer window will be about loans and free transfers.

The only teams with money (United, City, Chelsea, Bayern maybe, PSG) will be taking advantage offering half what players were worth. They will get stronger not us.
And no they aren't gonna be bailing us out buying the likes of Aurier or Sissoko off us.
And Levy is not gonna sell assets like Son or Kane at half price to fund Mourinho rebuild.

So whatever plans Mourinho and Levy had are long gone.
We are in huge trouble for the next few years regardless what manager is here.

I was never in favour of Mourinho but I might have been wrong.
But with the financial situation now we will never get to chance to see what would have happened. You guys could all have been proven right and we'd be all happy.

But in this situation now he hasn't a hope.

You know United has to take a loan out too don’t you?

 

[thfcsteff]

Furthermore, I suspect his first choice was a positional comment, not directed at Bergy. I think he was desperate to bring in a rampaging, warrior like CF. Giroud or Igano ( ?sp) would have been perfect short term fixes enabling us to play "the Jose way". Why we didn't get anyone in that position is mystifying to me.

Where did I EVER say it was directed at Bergwijn? That is not even in doubt. Re: CF I made the point that we were in for one for weeks (his name continues to evade my memory) and we did not get him. The overall point is (again) that having appt Mourinho we need to give him what HE wants or else he will absolutely not stick around or (far far worse) drag us through his public self-defense. This is not a criticism, it remains an obsveration!

 

[Finney Is Back]

You know United has to take a loan out too don’t you?

I thought they just drew down on their existing facility?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I thought they just drew down on their existing facility?

Yes
As a loan
It was money they didn’t have before covid. So additional debt
They have to pay out £130m in fees this summer for players they have brought

 

[thfcsteff]

Yes
As a loan
It was money they didn’t have before covid. So additional debt
They have to pay out £130m in fees this summer for players they have bought

Covid has obviously rewritten reality in too many ways.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Covid has obviously rewritten reality in too many ways.

Or just highlighted that United have no money and had to borrow as their so in debt it’s crazy when you look at their assets

Here’s a few links on the loan by the way as I got the value wrong

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ansfer-news/man-utd-latest-news-loan-18318728

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/man-utd-take-out-bumper-22095015

and they were £430m in debt before hand with £90m in cash for transfers apparently clearly the below article doesnt factor in Transfer debt)
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/man...d-announce-debt-rises-to-close-to-430-million

 

[90291Spur]

he rightly pulled up the whole teams meteorology yesterday
He is right... their mentally weak. It’s why we never got anything over the line with Poch too (well a big part of it)
I doubt there is anything that he said there that he hadn’t already said to the players
I mean we genuine have players stealing a living at the club.
Was he wrong with what he said in your opinion?
Maybe he thinks tasing it publicly is the way to change that mindset because nothing else has worked for the last GHod knows how many years

Just like Tactics Tim did after Cheat$ki hammered us. And I'm sure Mou's public shaming of a mentally weak group of players WILL NOT improve how they play. And he has previous with saying things aren't his fault. Yet the MouFanBoys on here will have no trouble not blaming him for seeing something at HT and not changing it. It's NEVER his fault.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Just like Tactics Tim did after Cheat$ki hammered us. And I'm sure Mou's public shaming of a mentally weak group of players WILL NOT improve how they play. And he has previous with saying things aren't his fault. Yet the MouFanBoys on here will have no trouble not blaming him for seeing something at HT and not changing it. It's NEVER his fault.

He was changing it wasn’t he?
He had subs lined up and ready but the defence crumbled again before hand whilst they were waiting
He actually gave the players in the pitch a chance To react first which is actually what most managers do
And if you can’t see our players are mentally weak then that’s your call. We have IMO been mentally weak for a very very long time. The put on the Lilly White and go Lily Livered

 

[90291Spur]

He was changing it wasn’t he?
He had subs lined up and ready but the defence crumbled again before hand whilst they were waiting
He actually gave the players in the pitch a chance To react first which is actually what most managers do
And if you can’t see our players are mentally weak then that’s your call. We have IMO been mentally weak for a very very long time. The put on the Lilly White and go Lily Livered

I never said they weren't mentally weak. My comment was about the efficacy of publicly shaming mentally weak players (seldom works as they are mentally weak) and admitting he saw a problem and couldn't change it. I recall many on here slating Poch (a coach who has never won a trophy) for not being able to do so (NOT accusing you) but many on here (NOT accusing you) seem to give Mou (a coach who has won more trophies that Tottenham have as a club) a pass.

 

[Grays_1890]

Judging Poch on Mourinho or vice versa is odd.

Poch came in with a different brief and although winning should be everyone’s goal he took the club forward to a level we haven’t been over a sustained period before and ultimately he paid the price for not winning anything.

Mourinho has his own brief, win something, that’s why he is paid so much by the club. If he achieves that with beautiful football or his usual way it doesn’t matter, he should be judged on trophies, not by what Poch did or didn’t achieve.

Talk on another thread is about a winning mentality, that starts with Jose.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I never said they weren't mentally weak. My comment was about the efficacy of publicly shaming mentally weak players (seldom works as they are mentally weak) and admitting he saw a problem and couldn't change it. I recall many on here slating Poch (a coach who has never won a trophy) for not being able to do so (NOT accusing you) but many on here (NOT accusing you) seem to give Mou (a coach who has won more trophies that Tottenham have as a club) a pass.

I think he believes he has to do something different with these players
Something that hasn’t been done before as maybe he or Poch have exhausted every other way (in his mind) is getting the players to think and change their mentality
Not saying it’s right but that’s my thoughts on it
Poch showed that coaching and developing players can make average ones look mile better. Jose is trying to do something about what’s between their ears which is arguably the final step.

 

[harr1984]

Judging Poch on Mourinho or vice versa is odd.

Poch came in with a different brief and although winning should be everyone’s goal he took the club forward to a level we haven’t been over a sustained period before and ultimately he paid the price for not winning anything.

Mourinho has his own brief, win something, that’s why he is paid so much by the club. If he achieves that with beautiful football or his usual way it doesn’t matter, he should be judged on trophies, not by what Poch did or didn’t achieve.

Talk on another thread is about a winning meteorology, that starts with Jose.

Unfortunately the Poch vs Jose thing is always going to happen though for two reasons. 1) Many can’t let go of Poch leaving (that’s not a criticism - he was both a great guy and coach) 2) Many have a simple dislike for Mourinho Neither of these elements are going to go away, probably ever.....

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Unfortunately the Poch vs Jose thing is always going to happen though for two reasons. 1) Many can’t let go of Poch leaving (that’s not a criticism - he was both a great guy and coach) 2) Many have a simple dislike for Mourinho Neither of these elements are going to go away, probably ever.....

it’s exactly this

Poch is loved at the club and still has unfinished business
Jose is tarred with many brushes (not all are right) which means people do not like him
It’s life basically

 

[thfcsteff]

it’s exactly this

Poch is loved at the club and still has unfinished business
Jose is tarred with many brushes (not all are right) which means people do not like him
It’s life basically

People make their own beds in life. Mourinho has made his in a distinct and unique way for a long time. He knows the score, it is why he is getting paid 15 million a year.